X18 Naked Track Bike

[Unproracer]

(Introduction) What up folks, Names Dan. New to this particular forum. Ive been an addict for about a year now.. I regrettably i already own a caglari, x18, and two x7s, in addition to road bikes. It all started with friends. Someone had a bike....they ask me if i wanted a ride... and now all my extra money and time is spent on two wheeled vehicles..and beer. 2wheels told me about this forum. Said i wouldn't see soo many threads that make me wanna punch baby kittens..banghead (*cough* pbp..)

I work to support this habbit but im still kinda broke so i mid bike and none of my bikes have twice the purchase price invested in after market parts(no offense! I wish i did!!). Almost all my mods are one off, purchased at home depot and usually involved sparks in some way.

Recent project X18 Frame & Swingarm Reinforcement

I gotta give CAM credit for cluing me in on this. Don't know why i didn't think of it before. A flexible frame will change the bikes geometry depending on the loads...compounded by flexing in the swing arm. In other words, aside from your suspension, your bike has to "adjust" to what your doing(turning/braking/accelerating) and if additional changes happen(road irregularities) the bike has to make further adjustments in addition to the suspension....that could be a lot of time waiting for the bike to make adjustments while your waiting for feedback before your next move, so last weekend i reinforced the X18 chassis.

I decided to remove the engine AFTER i installed the first supports....bah..
The last pic is the frame before i modded it.

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Rear swing arm stirthepot

[rene13]

I like it, I might just do that to my stunt bike project.

Now do the braces get in the way of the chain.

[Unproracer]

Cut out all the extra junk in the wiring harness So when i had it all off the engine, i rewired a lot nice and hit it all under the tank cover, on the battery try.

[Unproracer]

I like it, I might just do that to my stunt bike project.

Now do the braces get in the way of the chain.

Nope, they have about an inch maybe 1 1/8th space between the brace and the chain horizontally. No inference vertically.

[stuntnx7]

looks cool except for the part around the shock is a weak link now...it can still twist and instead of just twisting a little bit all over, it will now twist more in that particular area bcuz of the flat steel around the shock isnt very supportive and everything else is stronger twocents

[Unproracer]

When my friends and i race we crash ....frequently during time trials.. After loosing the front tire and pushing the handlebars into the ground at about 25, i had get new controls. quarter turn throttle, real brake handle and clutch assembly off a 85 cr250. I built some bark busters to protect the controls. Gonna drill a hole in the middle of the two and link the bars together so they cant twist on the front forks i think. The first pic is tabs to keep in place my ankle bolsters...just wait, there are more pics..

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

nice welds
cam is a lunatic, you prolly seen his episodes before
the part i dont like about the 18 frame is the box area where the swing and motor bolt up, it is weak
the rest is pretty strong
how much weight do you think you added?
oh and welcome thumbsup2

[Unproracer]

looks cool except for the part around the shock is a weak link now...it can still twist and instead of just twisting a little bit all over, it will now twist more in that particular area bcuz of the flat steel around the shock isnt very supportive and everything else is stronger twocents

That is something to consider. Id like to eventually have my friend CNC me a shock link assembly for it. But thats gonna be some research into math to make that work... Might just have to scale down a working setup and hope to get close. I have a deluxe 6.5 rock shox inbound via ebay.

Think id be worth it to reinforce the shock mount while i wait for a link system?

[Unproracer]

nice weldsThanks, shops welder's wirespeed is broken and i cant get the collet off to clean it...PITA
cam is a lunatic, you prolly seen his episodes before
the part i dont like about the 18 frame is the box area where the swing and motor bolt up, it is weakAgreed.
the rest is pretty strong
how much weight do you think you added?It still feels like it comes in under stock weight because i removed fairings, batt, starter, gauge cluster, and removed about a lbs or so of metal supports for the body work. In addition to wiring and electronic crap not needed if you only have a primary, secondary ignition and a kill switch.
oh and welcome thumbsup2
Thanks, this forum is already looking up!

[stuntnx7]

That is something to consider. Id like to eventually have my friend CNC me a shock link assembly for it. But thats gonna be some research into math to make that work... Might just have to scale down a working setup and hope to get close. I have a deluxe 6.5 rock shox inbound via ebay.

Think id be worth it to reinforce the shock mount while i wait for a link system?



i would reinforce it bcuz it would be gravy after you did that....wouldnt be any reason to get another swingy til that one gave out and i think that would be never

[Unproracer]

Finished product. *note previous mention of ankle bolsters.

Engine mods: Port Matched and polished Carb./intake/head. X1? Exhaust System w/ a few extra bends. Tuned it on the 5 gas anlyz. at work

[stuntnx7]

looks good...my exhaust is a stock x1 bluelaugh...off topic but have to ask....is that a f1 hurricane in the background

[Unproracer]

Also made these no slip pegs to deal with the stock (and what i think to be produced upside down) peg issue. Fully folding. Since i've had them, its bucked and tank slapped a few times and cannot budge me from the pegs.

[Unproracer]

...off topic but have to ask....is that a f1 hurricane in the background

No its a 89 dinasour..err ninja 600. Restored that but not to much into modding it. Time to upgrade now that ive dumped 500 into rebuilding everything on it.

BTW the paint job is the same stuff on my mid....krylon fusion lol!

[stuntnx7]

No its a 89 dinasour..err ninja 600. Restored that but not to much into modding it. Time to upgrade now that ive dumped 500 into rebuilding everything on it.

BTW the paint job is the same stuff on my mid....krylon fusion lol!



dam good painting man....i wanted white fairings and tank on my big bike but too much dirt flying around here so i went back with krylon black rock2

[Unproracer]

dam good painting man....i wanted white fairings and tank on my big bike but too much dirt flying around here so i went back with krylon black rock2

Good call, if i didnt commute through the middle of suburbia with all the idiots on there cell phones(even though its illegal now) reading books and looking at themselves in the mirror while driving...Id of painted it black, but white is visible. Its messed up i could die cause i cant afford the gas on my truck to get to work everyday......No..thats wrong, i lied, i enjoy it...

[stuntnx7]

Good call, if i didnt commute through the middle of suburbia with all the idiots on there cell phones(even though its illegal now) reading books and looking at themselves in the mirror while driving...Id of painted it black, but white is visible. Its messed up i could die cause i cant afford the gas on my truck to get to work everyday......No..thats wrong, i lied, i enjoy it...



cagers will always get lazy at some point and not always follow the right way to do things...cars have alot of distractions in them which is why i try to be extra aware while riding....people are only human so i just keep in control of what i do and try to stay in the safe zones and put myself where they can see me


ps...put your bike in the "big bike" thread so we can keep it going

[swheels]

Welcome to the forum.Once again great stuff.thumbsup2thumbsup2

[CAM2]

I must say;-you definately have met my expectations;-them welds are real nice.......If the X-18 frame was built like that when I had mine;-I would of kept it.........Very Nice Job Man.................Thanks for the good words................................Peace

[Unproracer]

thx again. Being that all the bikes we race are alll different purpose or cycle, cc, size, etc. i got another x7 today to race w/ my '07 model. Little beat up but for 100 bucks.. eh. Already digging into it and i just it home. Dont know if im gonna go all catywhompus on the frame... what i do to one i have to do to the other now.

[dna316]

nice work unproracer and welcome

[Supercharged]

others have summed it up well, good clean work and welcome to the MADNESS!!!

[Unproracer]

My roommate and I went to our local track, that is conveniently located in a trucking depot employee parking lot, and i got to test out the frame on my x18.... Wholy #%$&ing #$%&..... its like going to town on a drunk barely legal, i swear it, i was nursing a semi the whole ride. It is amazing to feel such a dramatic change in something ive raced countless hours on.

The bike feeds back virtually instantly. Even with terrible suspension you know exactly what the bikes doing if you lean off into a turn way way before you start to turn. It settles and you can respond so much quicker with steering and throttle inputs. Infact the on/off gas issue is heavily increased, probably doesn't help having the 1/4 turn WOT either. I have a hanging off kinda style, and man it is very reassuring to know that its stable with your body position before, during, and after the turn with your butt cheeks so close to the pavement.

I speculate what i was telling 2wheels about it having a weird turning profile when leaned over on the tire edges of the stock tires was greatly attributed to the rear swing arm twisting when i started to open the throttle with that much leaning weight on it already. My only draw backs seem to be the rear suspension(shock in the mail & weld supports), finding proper PSI setting for the front suspension and primarily the front tire needs to be replaced. That is suppose to come in dec. 2nd.. kenda 413 90/90 are on back order apparently... might spring for a 100/90 michilen bopper front in the mean time.

If your capable of doing it right, this is highly suggested. Its not even on par with anything i think you could do to this bike to help it handle better. Hanging off the bike feels very solid, and slides seem to be more predictable.

Man i hope some X model 110s show up at the next pocket bike gp race. I would love to see how i stack up against some 125s and 140cc X variety bikes. Specially w/ tire and shock. Hell i can barely wait to race my friends pit bikes! Gonna post some minimal edit stuff on you tube in the next few days probably, Bigbutthole420 .... rock2 Peace out.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

the 110s cant hang with the bigger cc bikes, you will get passed and pissed off
i personally like the maxxis tire in the front and a slick in the back

[The Nutty Professor]

Unpro now you're talkin' my language thumbsup2

[Unproracer]

the 110s cant hang with the bigger cc bikes, you will get passed and pissed off
i personally like the maxxis tire in the front and a slick in the back

My times are like 2 seconds off pace with the 140 OGM pitbike before the frame mod and my buddy is quiet the rider. And i've taken a 125 x18 at one race, but unfortunately no amount of engine makes up for skill seemed to be the case. And apparently i made him "nervous" when i kept passing him on the outside of the corner after the back straight where he was milking the CCs.

Acceleration is nice, but tracks are all straightaways. If chassis and driver of an x18 w/ a 125 cant carry speed into turns whats it worth but for 3 seconds worth of WOT down the straights...well see anyhow. next pbgp race is dec. 7. Hopefully dec. 2nd i get my tire

[Ghost Rider]

hey man where in cali are you located...Ive been dying to get to a track where theres other midbikes!

[swheels]

You lucky SOB's.......LOL it's dam near winter over here and you guys are still talking about hitting up tracks.YES I'M HATIN.bluelaughbluelaughbluelaugh

[rene13]

You lucky SOB's.......LOL it's dam near winter over here and you guys are still talking about hitting up tracks.YES I'M HATIN.bluelaughbluelaughbluelaugh

Rightbanghead

[Unproracer]

hey man where in cali are you located...Ive been dying to get to a track where theres other midbikes!

NorCal buddy. Bay area. We have lots of parking lots that turn into tracks and no one minds us most the time because we don't mess nothing up.

You live anywhere near livermore or santa rosa? You can come join us sometime, We race 3-5 people at santa rosa (dope course) on weekends and late night and 2-3 people at 2 different lots in livermore. And cops cant mess with you beyond telling you to leave private property. Unless previously warned they don't usually cite trespassing. Especially if your wearing full gear and pick up all your trash. In fact santa rosa cops come watch us sometimes. And security guards allow us on weekend nights between certin hours to track there parking lot with respect.

YouTube - Pocket Bike Cam


Thats Santa Rosa Raceway....
Im syked i got two x7s now to battle each other with, i wish i had the money to get em both running lol. Anyone want some custom fab work done? stirthepot

[Unproracer]

You lucky SOB's.......LOL it's dam near winter over here and you guys are still talking about hitting up tracks.YES I'M HATIN.bluelaughbluelaughbluelaugh

Go tube ur tire and get some ice screws man! First on the block to ice race your pocket bike, hell i wished it snowed around here once a while.

[Shooter]

I'm thinkin' 'bout takin' a dip in da pool!
The forecast here in Phoenix is calling for 85 degrees for about a week then it will start to cool down again.
Anyone care to join me?
moon1moon1moon1moon1

[rene13]

I'm thinkin' 'bout takin' a dip in da pool!
The forecast here in Phoenix is calling for 85 degrees for about a week then it will start to cool down again.
Anyone care to join me?
moon1moon1moon1

Rub it in shooter.LOLbluelaugh

[Ghost Rider]

Aww im in So Cal in Orange County..too far for me

[swheels]

Go tube ur tire and get some ice screws man! First on the block to ice race your pocket bike, hell i wished it snowed around here once a while.We don't get to much snow here in Nc.The worst part is it seems like i'm the only one willing to ride/race.
I'm thinkin' 'bout takin' a dip in da pool!
The forecast here in Phoenix is calling for 85 degrees for about a week then it will start to cool down again.
Anyone care to join me?
moon1moon1moon1It's like 60 something deg.That's perfect racing weather for me with leathers on.thumbsup2

Where in hell are all the Nc people at???????????????

[Shooter]

I meant to attach this.
Read it and weep my friends. :phat:
http://www.azcentral.com/weather/

[morneauoo1]

My weather is just as good,But no tracks.http://www.khnl.com/Global/category.asp?C=4710&nav=menu55_3 cool_smilie

[Unproracer]

My weather is just as good,But no tracks.http://www.khnl.com/Global/category.asp?C=4710&nav=menu55_3 cool_smilie

You guys are looking at it all wrong. There are some parking lots that are laden with islands that make great tracks. Preferably in industrial/commercial areas away from town, homes, hotels, hospitals, parks, police stations, etc. Preferably by airports (surrounding business are sound proofed). Go on weekends, find an empty parking lot and ride it. In CA if your not destroying the property the worst they do it ask you to leave. If you don't go on public roads they cant take your bike. And clean up after yourselves so no one notices you were ever there...

[125ccCrazy]

I'm thinkin' 'bout takin' a dip in da pool!
The forecast here in Phoenix is calling for 85 degrees for about a week then it will start to cool down again.
Anyone care to join me?
moon1moon1moon1moon1

oh yeah, frigen getting nasty here... lil warmer today, a whopping 55 and raining then after tomarrow it's gonna drop into the 20's and 30's..... Time to get the woodburner ready in the garage..

[Unproracer]

New tire on, Kenda 413 110/70, had option of 100/80(in stock believe it or not!). The 110 brand new tire nubs that stick out rub against the fork, but no tire. There so tall they look the same size as a moderate profile 12" to me. Its truely balanced now and handles like its on rails. Im not even rolling off between most the corners and still cutting the radius curve in half!!! Same turn points, higher speed, way easier to hit the apex, GREATLY increased stability. And i dont even have the new shock on yet. 100 percent better handling then before i modded the frame and added the tires and fork mods

Im going to give the pit bikes a run for there money on this thing. boxing11

[Unproracer]

Aight guys. I didn't notice the long term bike build section prior to my introductory post. So some of you have seen some of my work already. I don't know if its considered a custom build rolleye0010 but its one of a kind, for sure...

Guys I merged the threads for Pro...He ain't crazy LOLOLOL

To start with:
I already was breathing, eating and crapping two wheels after my grandfather gave me his old V-Twin GS450. I already had taken it all apart, fixed stuff, removed extra crap, and was riding it everyday when my new boss pointed out a set of pocket bikes he had in our shop storage area(the whole shop...) I took a shining to them, dragging my work knee pads around the pavement in our shops parking lot. Fun but cramped and not enough power i thought. X18s were big about that time, so i found one on craigslist for half the list price. Guy had done nothing but wheelies on it. An '06 for $375 it was a steal IMO. I took it home and before riding it i started taking things apart.....

Welded some scraps together and made a few different designs in mufflers. stirthepot and so it began... Soon decided the foot pegs stock on the bike if anything made it harder to stay on the bike. That's threaded rod with a hole drilled in it, not the lightest but you cant loose your grip on those things.

Someone had some parts in there garage sale, of a x1 muffler for 50 bucks!! I bought it, cut the pipe in a few locations to route it through my x18s chassis.

Soon my bike became a furniture store going out of business and everything had to go. All breakable plastics, starter, batt. wiring, buzzers, switches, gauges, lights, tabs welded on the frame, body work support bars were cut off, shorten the air intake. Figured if i was racing it, A) Id minimize damage taken in the event of crashing, so i could ride harder without worry of crashing and losing my wallet.
B) Racing favors a style more on feel and experience then on gauges.
C) I'm not small, the bike is. The more weight i can shed the better.

So far so good.

[Unproracer]

About this time my friend became addicted to riding my mid so he sought his own out... jerk hauled off and bought a $2400 pitster knockoff (OGM) to race against my $375 dollar Chinese bike.... A pitbike none the less.

I do enjoy being on par with someone who spent a lot more money then you have for there equipment.... that doesn't mean im cheap by choice though.

That pitbike has been my nemisis since he got it. Everything i have been doing to it has been an attempt to make my bike enough to at least be able to hold its own in a battle with my friends. Not only were the bikes unmatched but i had just been getting into two wheels then, he had a 50cc dirt bike since he was young enough to not look ridiculous riding it...

One day i decieded that i was bored...or ....in some kind of a mood, i took the thing apart down to bare frame.

Oh and i painted the frame black and plastics white.

The seat seamed in a bad position as well as uncomfortable so i went to the arts and craft store. Bought foam, wood and marine material. Cut a seat base longer then the stock by a few inches, and added more padding. I cut the seat mounts off the frame and lowered them to be level with the rear subframe bars. Cut a opening in the rear faring and bolted it together.

When i had the engine out i port matched from the carb to the head, through to the exhaust port. Polished it all, and tuned it on the shop smog machine.
Drained and filled the forks with the heaviest fork fluid i could find. Didn't seem to help much though.

[Unproracer]

Oh and added a GP style shifter, up 1 is 1st, 2-3-4 down for easier shifting while hanging off. To be honest my friends like it more then i do because eitherway i think its difficult to shift while hanging off, specially since im kinda use to hard downs on slippers...

[Unproracer]

Just in case anyone is wondering why this threats all out of order, the two were merged, thanks to nutty!

Made some mods to the shock position and upgraded to a 6.5 deluxe coupe. It was a lesson in suspension for sure. At least now i know how the effect of these things i read about feel. For better or worse.
The final near 90 degree angle is the one i ended up going with, but i kept the reinforced left side frame mod and chain guide intended for use when the rear was raked higher.

I turned the upper triple tree clamp upside down to move the front forks down, head tube up. With that and the shock slightly lower in back and fully functional now, it rides like a wet dream.

[Unproracer]

I've also added more track sliders to appease the kart track owners thumbsup2. The second shock position is temporary. When i know the exhaust routing for a bigger engine, ill make a more permanate mount, but as is it feels amazing.

The thing on the rear is our camera mount. Also one for the front.

I Just got off ebay and am the proud owner of a new GPX140 lifan motor. I cant wait till it gets here. stirthepot Does anyone know if there is a limitation to angle you can run the motor at? Im thinking since i have so much ground clearance and no plastics to worry about, i might mount the 140 at a slight angle with the head up higher and rear lower about an inch or two on both sides. Needed to clear front tire, wanted to lower center of gravity of bike. Think its a bad idea? Think that'll stop me? cowboy

[Unproracer]

Handle bar idea....well see how this goes. Thats the front of the triple tree btw. So yes the handle bars are on backwards and upside down... Feels good but might have to lower the rear via shock mount. stirthepot

Lifan 140cc showed up, thanks to phirana motorsports. Great price on there ebay store. A day earlier then projected delievery date, well packaged w/ everything that was included.

New set of front forks. Gonna try to get cartrige emulators, and peice together duel front brake setup now that i have the other side.

New triple clamp + hardware, gonna get the bearing spacers reman'ed out of something other then pot metal.

Also planning on adding a perimeter bracing to the stock frame now that i just signed the paperwork for my TIG welder(firepower 185 AC/DC TIG/Stick single phase) rock2

Adding removable lower frame bars for bracing and mounting postitions for the frame sliders, since the last set broke through the clutch adj. cover on the race day i tucked the front end....hard....really hard... the AGV tag is unreadable no the right side of the track suit now. angry_red ANYHOW

Gonna lock myself in the shop this weekend w/ the TIG, bike, engine, and other assorted parts i got, untill this is all hashed out... dont worry, there will be picks.

Needless to say the only time that guy who brake checked me in the last race is gonna be in front of me now...is when im lapping him.
Come @#$ing get some @#$&er...machinegun

[stuntnx7]

are those big bike dirt bars .....if so i had to cut an inch or 2 off each side to make it feel right while turning

[swheels]

Great stuff.Can't wait to see the vids Now.LOL Just be careful though,The guy's your racing with might get discouraged now if they see there's now way they can catch you.

[Unproracer]

Great stuff.Can't wait to see the vids Now.LOL Just be careful though,The guy's your racing with might get discouraged now if they see there's now way they can catch you.

Lol, only if you think this will be able to beat out a 140cc ogm pitbike with a crazy stupid @@#hole on it who puts his foot out so much he has to empty the rocks out of his shoes every race... I think it will be a very close race now. but im only in it about 1000.00..... if you dont include the tig welder i bought to weld things to it.... My buddies bought the bike alone for 1500.00

are those big bike dirt bars .....if so i had to cut an inch or 2 off each side to make it feel right while turning

Yea, i mounted them, look like they will drag on the ground if i leave them that length lol. Impressive you seen that without them on the bike, i was suprise i didnt knowtice. lol. there mock up bars anyhow.

No worries wheels, i know my friend, if im faster then him, you just see alot more pitbike crash footage.

[stuntnx7]

Lol, only if you think this will be able to beat out a 140cc ogm pitbike with a crazy stupid @@#hole on it who puts his foot out so much he has to empty the rocks out of his shoes every race... I think it will be a very close race now. but im only in it about 1000.00..... if you dont include the tig welder i bought to weld things to it.... My buddies bought the bike alone for 1500.00



Yea, i mounted them, look like they will drag on the ground if i leave them that length lol. Impressive you seen that without them on the bike, i was suprise i didnt knowtice. lol. there mock up bars anyhow.

No worries wheels, i know my friend, if im faster then him, you just see alot more pitbike crash footage.



i was saying that when your turning as your riding it will feel funny...i was hesitant to try a wheelie bcuz i thought i would come down and wreck but after cuttin them i was rollin on 1 in no time bcuz it was night and day on the control i had

[rene13]

If you're looking for better clip-ons, get some off an X1 or X2(these are just the clamps without the bars) http://www.scooterpart.net/products.php?id=378 or PBU sells these http://www.pocketbikesunlimited.com/pocketbike-handlebars.html

[rene13]

Is that the shock mount you made after the other tread?

[Unproracer]

Those are nice, but im gonna try this since ive already done most the work. I always have the stock too. Just not fond of the way the turn in when you go down. Its amazing the brake master still holds fluid on my bike. Not sure how good it will be banging the steering locks either, but so far all the change has been for the best... Does everyone just run open counter sprockets on the 140?

[Unproracer]

Is that the shock mount you made after the other tread?

Yea it a temporary mount extention until i find out where the new motors exhaust routing is gonna go. Then ill make a permanent mount. Not sure im completely satisfied with the shock though. Think i might add some more progressive spring but suspension tuning is not my fortay...

[rene13]

Those are nice, but im gonna try this since ive already done most the work. I always have the stock too. Just not fond of the way the turn in when you go down. Its amazing the brake master still holds fluid on my bike. Not sure how good it will be banging the steering locks either, but so far all the change has been for the best... Does everyone just run open counter sprockets on the 140?

Here is an idea, you can make your own bars. Get a pipe that is the same diameter and same length from one end of the bar to the other end of the bar when mounted. So you can run a straight pipe all the way through, all you have to do cut and weld the pipe in the angle you want or just put a bend in the pipe. For the mounting part you can use the stock clamps just notch the pipe (new handle bar) just like the stock ones and drill the holes, some grade 8 bolts and bam they aint moving no more. Tell me if this drawing makes sense. I going to do this to my buddies X-15 stunt bike cause it get kinda annoying when you pop wheelies and your handle bar is cock eyed.Nutty-Rant

[Unproracer]

Yea, i considered something like that, though my clip ons are 90 degrees with the front forks. I've considered something similar but still not sure about how thats gonna effect the fork tubes, headset and triple trees during horizontal operation of the motorcycle....If you know what i mean. I was figuring if the bars were just hooked to the triple, theres less chance of damage to the steering.

Well i got a full days worth of work in on her. So far this is where we are.

I painted it ..but forgot i need to add a cooler mount.., and ensure the exhaust still lines up with the rear mount. 140 bolted right in. The motor is narrower but a bit longer. Well see how long i keep the stock mounts though.

Still considering a new shock mount but ran out of argon so itll have to wait till next weekend.

Put the TIG welder to work on a cradle to keep the motor from doing battle with the pavement. Feels like it might add rigidity to the frame as well. 1.3lbs, removable, bolted in for service or repair purposes. Figured it be nice

[stuntnx7]

looks good but your over doing it now man twocents.... the chassis is already stronger than any other stock midbike chassis out there and is strong enough to take numerous mousetraps...

[Unproracer]

looks good but your over doing it now man twocents.... the chassis is already stronger than any other stock midbike chassis out there and is strong enough to take numerous mousetraps...

Its not the chassis im worried about. Its the case covers, shift/kick shafts, oil plug, cooler lines, and generally the engine that cost me more then the frame im putting it in. I don't treat the bike kindly when operating it. And if i brake it i cant play with it anymore. The 107 i took out is on the verge of being a dry sump system with no sump.... I cant ride my hardest if im worried about breaking something.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

well it aint pretty but thats what we need is some sort of crash cage
something bolt on would be great
i really dont want to be worrying about my motor if i lowside
think you can design/do that?

[The Nutty Professor]

Another solution is to mount case sliders. I haven't looked into how yet I've got a lot of other things to straighten out first. But it should be kind of easy. With the X15 there's already a cradle underneath it's just the side cases that need a little protection.

[Unproracer]

well it aint pretty but thats what we need is some sort of crash cage
something bolt on would be great
i really dont want to be worrying about my motor if i lowside
think you can design/do that?

Lol do you guys just look at the pictures and avoid reading the text lol??
Look at the cross bar of the cradle again guys, see how the bars stick out past the kick start lever, shifter, clutch and gen. covers? The cross bar covers the motors drain plug and cooler line area? That IS my crash cage. Gonna mount a slider on the frame bars just below the tank, the cradle is designed to keep the case covers off the ground and the bottom side bars on the cradle will keep curbs and posts from contacting the oil related stuff, the head and the bottom of the engine. Its fully removable with two 10mms. cool_smilie

Another solution is to mount case sliders. I haven't looked into how yet I've got a lot of other things to straighten out first. But it should be kind of easy. With the X15 there's already a cradle underneath it's just the side cases that need a little protection.

I had case sliders on the 110cc, they worked a few times but in the last crash, i came down hard enough it smashed the slider into the clutch adj. area. In addition that is much harder to make on the 140 because theres no where to mount them on the motor without drilling and damaging the motor. The x15's cradle is structural, not for the same purposes i made this.

[The Nutty Professor]

Oh I got ya on the X15 cradle and what you have. What I should have said and of course didn't was that half the job was done on a stock X15-X19 frame already. Just a few addition and we have about the same thing.

[125ccCrazy]

Lol do you guys just look at the pictures and avoid reading the text lol??
Look at the cross bar of the cradle again guys, see how the bars stick out past the kick start lever, shifter, clutch and gen. covers? The cross bar covers the motors drain plug and cooler line area? That IS my crash cage. Gonna mount a slider on the frame bars just below the tank, the cradle is designed to keep the case covers off the ground and the bottom side bars on the cradle will keep curbs and posts from contacting the oil related stuff, the head and the bottom of the engine. Its fully removable with two 10mms. cool_smilie



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I think Blitz$ was asking if you can make a cradle that will be a bolt in so anyone with that frame can just bolt it in without any cutting or welding..

Blitz$: I'll look at my 19 frame and see what ideas I can come up with for a engine cage that will bolt in using some sort of U clamp design..

[SoPackedCustoms]

alittle while ago some guy on pocket bike planet was talking about stunting and what not and then i recomended him a crash cage for the bike he was all about it and i told him i can build him a custom one for a good price and he was all for it then out of no where he just starts talking all this sh** about it and stuff then just stop talking to me for no reason i just simply built him a custom cage and all he did was complain well here are some pics let me know what you think
and the on modification was to drill o whole in the body but other than its a complete bolt on

[Unproracer]

alittle while ago some guy on pocket bike planet was talking about stunting and what not and then i recomended him a crash cage for the bike he was all about it and i told him i can build him a custom one for a good price and he was all for it then out of no where he just starts talking all this sh** about it and stuff then just stop talking to me for no reason i just simply built him a custom cage and all he did was complain well here are some pics let me know what you think
and the on modification was to drill o whole in the body but other than its a complete bolt on

Yea, looks like it would serve its purpose thumbsup2. Nice work. Hard to make really structurally sound stuff without heavy modification though. Looks like that guy was rocking a flintstones wheel in the back man..

I don't know if i would wanna make "custom" stuff because (A) not all "custom" ideas are realistic due to idiot customers w/ no sense, (2)Few understand the compromise involved in a purpose built vehicle. (D) Its generally hard to set a fair price for your time and work, while still satisfying customers.. mainly for reasons A and 2. If you could built it, then sell it as is, others could only blame themselves for paying for something they "thought" they wanted. (Chrysler thumb_down) Hard to do that too these days it seems.

That sucks that buddy guy was such a douche bag though. crazy_smilie. Karma comes full circle and not the fruity spiritual kind either..

[Unproracer]

Is it just me or is the 140 a lot heavier then the 110? Hope its got a lot of power because shes becoming a little fatty. Bad for race, gonna have to start making stuff out of aluminum from now on. Still fitting the carb. and body work. Wiring schismatic was none existent w/ the packaging. Anyone know the Lifan 140cc wiring?

[Unproracer]

And in case you were wondering who that was on the tail pipe straight shreddin...

[125ccCrazy]

If you could built it, then sell it as is, others could only blame themselves for paying for something they "thought" they wanted. (Chrysler thumb_down) Hard to do that too these days it seems.

..

whats with the thumbs down on Chrysler for??

[The Nutty Professor]

whats with the thumbs down on Chrysler for??

AH CRAP! speechless33 (Gotta distract him quick) Hey Randy how about that Charger V6 Interceptor package not bad not bad at all. I ran down a 4 wheeled rice rocket no problem surprised me and scared the crap out of him :clap: Turbo's, inter-coolers, exhaust, intakes none of that works if the car won't stop or handle. That was the ricer not the Charger. That's the most fun I've had driving in a while. Dude you could smell his brakes in my car before I got out and no it wasn't from mine. And no his car wasn't a clapped out salvage tittle car either. It was a 2005 Honda with probably $5000-$6000 under the hood. OK OK confession he also drove like a fish on a bank just flopping around and sliding all over the place bluelaughbluelaugh

[125ccCrazy]

AH CRAP! speechless33 (Gotta distract him quick) Hey Randy how about that Charger V6 Interceptor package not bad not bad at all. I ran down a 4 wheeled rice rocket no problem surprised me and scared the crap out of him Turbo's, inter-coolers, exhaust, intakes none of that works if the car won't stop or handle. That was the ricer not the Charger. That's the most fun I've had driving in a while. Dude you could smell his brakes in my car before I got out and no it wasn't from mine. And no his car wasn't a clapped out salvage tittle car either. It was a 2005 Honda with probably $5000-$6000 under the hood. OK OK confession he also drove like a fish on a bank just flopping around and sliding all over the place bluelaughbluelaugh

Yeah the fire has been lit...

Is that the 4.0 v6?? we put them in the Nitro R/T, pretty impressive numbers coming from a V6, better output then alot of V8's...

Those Chargers are pretty swet rides and I imagine with the interceptor package that they handle pretty dang good and with experience behind the wheel some idiot in a COUGH COUGH hon, honnn, honda wouldn't have a chance thumbsup2.... bet that moron felt pretty stupid when he finally stopped.... hopefully that pos was impounded and crushed..., the car that is LOL

[The Nutty Professor]

Yeah the fire has been lit...

Is that the 4.0 v6?? we put them in the Nitro R/T, pretty impressive numbers coming from a V6, better output then alot of V8's...

Those Chargers are pretty swet rides and I imagine with the interceptor package that they handle pretty dang good and with experience behind the wheel some idiot in a COUGH COUGH hon, honnn, honda wouldn't have a chance thumbsup2.... bet that moron felt pretty stupid when he finally stopped.... hopefully that pos was impounded and crushed..., the car that is LOL

I was told 7hp higher than the Crown Vic. Motor size dunno The only thing I don't like is the fly-by-wire throttle. That little lag at the bottom takes getting use too but I guess if it was my daily it wouldn't be a problem.

No we don't crush here although some of them we should they just don't learn until the kill a tree, themselves, or the worse someone else. And I think the tree comes before them rolleye0010 OK Pro sorry about the High-Jack lololol

[Unproracer]

Man, domestics in general. The only people who really like them are the folks who dont have to work on them. There my bread and butter because only a chevy require a fuel pump every 120k..., and only could chrysler figure out a way to place the intake manifold just right as to make a simple tune up take 4 hours(thats charged to you, the consumer). Its like they couldnt figure out a new and inovative place to put something so they found a guy in the hall way attempting to stuff a dollar bill in a free water foutain and ask him if he wanted a job as a dodge engineer. I've done headgaskets toyotas with 400+ K miles on them and they still have cross hatching in the cylinders, i've done 2nd and 3rd timing belts for hondas(thats a every 120k mile service...) And ive replaced valves and pistons on ford v8s along with timing chain tensioners that failed at 65k miles... The big three are on there way out and they can only blame themselves. If i were you id choose a new maker real fast. and please move all this talk of domestics from my custom build forums nutty, this isnt where this belongs.

[X7rocks]

i agree with stunt....that is overdoing it a bit....ok alote the x18 is one of the lightest mids and you problly have it near the same amount the 15 (not saying 15's are bad they got sexy fairing set on them)


as far as my track bike no frame mods have ben done cuase i found it pointless to change the frames flex when the suspension gets stiffend up with a better one. along with a better front suspension.

[125ccCrazy]

Man, domestics in general. The only people who really like them are the folks who dont have to work on them. There my bread and butter because only a chevy require a fuel pump every 120k..., and only could chrysler figure out a way to place the intake manifold just right as to make a simple tune up take 4 hours(thats charged to you, the consumer). Its like they couldnt figure out a new and inovative place to put something so they found a guy in the hall way attempting to stuff a dollar bill in a free water foutain and ask him if he wanted a job as a dodge engineer. I've done headgaskets toyotas with 400+ K miles on them and they still have cross hatching in the cylinders, i've done 2nd and 3rd timing belts for hondas(thats a every 120k mile service...) And ive replaced valves and pistons on ford v8s along with timing chain tensioners that failed at 65k miles... The big three are on there way out and they can only blame themselves. If i were you id choose a new maker real fast. and please move all this talk of domestics from my custom build forums nutty, this isnt where this belongs.


well it's not that I just own Chryslers but I have worked for them for 25 years and have been on pins and needles for the last 6 months...
It's not the Big 3's fault for all this mess, if anyone is to blame it's the oil companys and the banks, after gas went to over $4 a gal and the banks screwed everyone out of thier homes and busiiness's is when the the auto indust took a fall...

I agree they are a pain to work on but what car isn't that has been built in the last 15 years?..

[Unproracer]

misspost

[Unproracer]

i agree with stunt....that is overdoing it a bit....ok alote the x18 is one of the lightest mids and you problly have it near the same amount the 15 (not saying 15's are bad they got sexy fairing set on them)


as far as my track bike no frame mods have ben done cuase i found it pointless to change the frames flex when the suspension gets stiffend up with a better one. along with a better front suspension.


..WTF are you all talking about damnit. Its not like 400$ dollars for the motor just fell out of my butt. And the 26 hours i took to put the motor in properly isnt like ALL of my free time for two weeks or anything. THE CRADEL IS TO PROTECT THE MOTOR. P-R-O-T-E-C-T-I-O-N. NOT TO STIFFEN THE FRAME> PROTECTION< STRUCTURAL PROTECTION> NOT INTENDED TO STIFFEN THE FRAME. If i wanted it to stiffen the frame, i wouldnt of made it bolt in. GET IT???

And dude, a HUGE advancement in motorcycle technology since the 60's and 70's is the rigidity of the frames. They've spend tons of R&D on making a stiff frame for road racing. More then a quater of the cost you for a road bike is due to matierals and R&D related to making a stiff and light frame. The rigidity of materials for race bike has been increased four fold, since the start of road racing. And the stiffer or more reactive your suspension is, the greater the flex of your bike. Dont know why youd think your frame flex is OK when you dont know what it feels like without it. But if the factory bike makers have spent tons of money and time on reducing flex on road bikes doesn't tell you that it is some kind of consideration you should look into, then dont. But FYI i've knowticed i can go from full lean to full lean 2-3 times faster since ive modded the frame, because the response is that much quicker. Dont mod your frame, but dont negate what im doing to my bike. The proofs in the pudding for me, when im passing up the same frame un modded with 30% more power, or holding off pit bikes in the twisty sections.

You dont draw perfect circles with a compass made out of cardboard, dont know why you think a two wheeled vehicle can maintain proper geometry in a turn when its flexing and twisting. Dont know how else to put emphasis on this point guys. doesn't seem to sink in that your chinese manufactured mid track bike has less in common with a real sport bike, then a dirt bike does in design... Enough? Then stop commenting on how you think its overkill. AND FYI the bike now weighs 121.4lbs. still 30 lbs lighter then all your full fairing, starter equiped, battery having, race bikes. And i still consider that too heavy for my own personal use. and the motor will survive anything the ground can throw at it now.

well it's not that I just own Chryslers but I have worked for them for 25 years and have been on pins and needles for the last 6 months...
It's not the Big 3's fault for all this mess, if anyone is to blame it's the oil companys and the banks, after gas went to over $4 a gal and the banks screwed everyone out of thier homes and busiiness's is when the the auto indust took a fall...

I agree they are a pain to work on but what car isn't that has been built in the last 15 years?..



Hey man, im not trying to dog on your job man. I feel for those who have jobs in the domestic motors market. My best wishes w/ you man. But you hear me on this deal? Becuase you dont hear me screaming "WHYYY" from the back of the shop when im working on a honda. Aside from the concept that oil prices are sky rocketing and the big 3 hasent figure out they need to stop producing luxery, SUV, Trucks and retro sports cars with big v8s under the hood, a huge part of it is the companies themselves. toyota's CEO made 3milion in bonuses from his company during last year, while there down 40% from their 150+% sales increased from 2007 figures. Fords been going down hill, and still their CEO made 300 million in bonuses off the company...The average japanese production line worker is making 30-40 dollars an hour per production hour. American auto line workers cost 70+ an hour of production from benifits and union costs. Mix that with the fact they cant sell anything right now due to wrong direction w/ fuel economy and a reluctance to up the quality of there productions that have been haunted by a long past of poor manufacting from the get go at the factory.... They've kinda @#^ed themselves on this one.

[stuntnx7]

..WTF are you all talking about damnit. Its not like 400$ dollars for the motor just fell out of my butt. And the 26 hours i took to put the motor in properly isnt like ALL of my free time for two weeks or anything. THE CRADEL IS TO PROTECT THE MOTOR. P-R-O-T-E-C-T-I-O-N. NOT TO STIFFEN THE FRAME> PROTECTION< STRUCTURAL PROTECTION> NOT INTENDED TO STIFFEN THE FRAME. If i wanted it to stiffen the frame, i wouldnt of made it bolt in. GET IT???

And dude, a HUGE advancement in motorcycle technology since the 60's and 70's is the rigidity of the frames. They've spend tons of R&D on making a stiff frame for road racing. More then a quater of the cost you for a road bike is due to matierals and R&D related to making a stiff and light frame. The rigidity of materials for race bike has been increased four fold, since the start of road racing. And the stiffer or more reactive your suspension is, the greater the flex of your bike. Dont know why youd think your frame flex is OK when you dont know what it feels like without it. But if the factory bike makers have spent tons of money and time on reducing flex on road bikes doesn't tell you that it is some kind of consideration you should look into, then dont. But FYI i've knowticed i can go from full lean to full lean 2-3 times faster since ive modded the frame, because the response is that much quicker. Dont mod your frame, but dont negate what im doing to my bike. The proofs in the pudding for me, when im passing up the same frame un modded with 30% more power, or holding off pit bikes in the twisty sections.

You dont draw perfect circles with a compass made out of cardboard, dont know why you think a two wheeled vehicle can maintain proper geometry in a turn when its flexing and twisting. Dont know how else to put emphasis on this point guys. doesn't seem to sink in that your chinese manufactured mid track bike has less in common with a real sport bike, then a dirt bike does in design... Enough? Then stop commenting on how you think its overkill. AND FYI the bike now weighs 121.4lbs. still 30 lbs lighter then all your full fairing, starter equiped, battery having, race bikes. And i still consider that too heavy for my own personal use. and the motor will survive anything the ground can throw at it now.



Hey man, im not trying to dog on your job man. I feel for those who have jobs in the domestic motors market. My best wishes w/ you man. But you hear me on this deal? Becuase you dont hear me screaming "WHYYY" from the back of the shop when im working on a honda. Aside from the concept that oil prices are sky rocketing and the big 3 hasent figure out they need to stop producing luxery, SUV, Trucks and retro sports cars with big v8s under the hood, a huge part of it is the companies themselves. toyota's CEO made 3milion in bonuses from his company during last year, while there down 40% from their 150+% sales increased from 2007 figures. Fords been going down hill, and still their CEO made 300 million in bonuses off the company...The average japanese production line worker is making 30-40 dollars an hour per production hour. American auto line workers cost 70+ an hour of production from benifits and union costs. Mix that with the fact they cant sell anything right now due to wrong direction w/ fuel economy and a reluctance to up the quality of there productions that have been haunted by a long past of poor manufacting from the get go at the factory.... They've kinda @#^ed themselves on this one.



the problem isnt them building certain vehicles... the problem is they pay the higher rankers too much money, plain and simple....this is why i hope the companies go bankrupt and the government takes over... they will get out of debt and cars, trucks, etc will be cheaper

[125ccCrazy]

Hey man, im not trying to dog on your job man. I feel for those who have jobs in the domestic motors market. My best wishes w/ you man. But you hear me on this deal? Becuase you dont hear me screaming "WHYYY" from the back of the shop when im working on a honda. Aside from the concept that oil prices are sky rocketing and the big 3 hasent figure out they need to stop producing luxery, SUV, Trucks and retro sports cars with big v8s under the hood, a huge part of it is the companies themselves. toyota's CEO made 3milion in bonuses from his company during last year, while there down 40% from their 150+% sales increased from 2007 figures. Fords been going down hill, and still their CEO made 300 million in bonuses off the company...The average japanese production line worker is making 30-40 dollars an hour per production hour. American auto line workers cost 70+ an hour of production from benifits and union costs. Mix that with the fact they cant sell anything right now due to wrong direction w/ fuel economy and a reluctance to up the quality of there productions that have been haunted by a long past of poor manufacting from the get go at the factory.... They've kinda @#^ed themselves on this one.


I sort of agree with ya on the suv, trucks ect but you build what the demand is, the general public was going gonzo over these vehichles, big engines, bad mileage didn't matter until gas went sky high and then the interest in them went south and I mean that literally as in hondoo doo and toyota.... I also agree that the ceo's don't need to make that kind of money no matter who they are or what company, thats just rediculous!!!......

Something you may not know is that either honda or toyota workers just found out that they are getting thier wages cut 12% within the next 5 years and have been ringing the phone off the hook with the UAW but since they are not union protected ain't a thing they can do... the other reason I hate foreign auto makers is all that profit goes back to japan, it's not money that stays here in the States, only the money the workers make and lastly, those dumass republican southern senators that shot us down are the same ones that gave the japs hundreds of millions for thier companys... I firmly believe they only shot us down because Ohio and Michigan shot down thier spot for the presidency and this is pay back........


Well over all that, I agree with ya on the frame flex, if the frame is twisting the controlability will be decreased giving the bike a wishy washy feel in the curves... same goes for road course cars and even drag cars, if you can't put the power to the pavement and have the vehichle handle it in the manner it's supposed to no matter how much H.P and Torque you have it's all wasted...
A crappy handling bike or car with tons of power is worse than a great handling one with minimal power, same with the rider, a great rider on a crappy bike will more than likely out race a novice on a top notch bike...It's not what ya got but what you can do with it..

[swheels]

Unpro build your bike to your liking.If this is what you feel is necessary for you then it's all good.thumbsup2 That's why i like these cheap mids.Mainly because you get to develope the bike and make it suitable to your needs.Which is priceless in my book.

You are gearing your bike up to do some serious battling out on the track.thumbsup2 If you get the chance to get some slicks.Pick them up i promise you won't regret it.

It would be nice if you guys could make it up to VIR in the new year.A full weekend of racing total bliss.

[X7rocks]

..WTF are you all talking about damnit. Its not like 400$ dollars for the motor just fell out of my butt. And the 26 hours i took to put the motor in properly isnt like ALL of my free time for two weeks or anything. THE CRADEL IS TO PROTECT THE MOTOR. P-R-O-T-E-C-T-I-O-N. NOT TO STIFFEN THE FRAME> PROTECTION< STRUCTURAL PROTECTION> NOT INTENDED TO STIFFEN THE FRAME. If i wanted it to stiffen the frame, i wouldnt of made it bolt in. GET IT???

And dude, a HUGE advancement in motorcycle technology since the 60's and 70's is the rigidity of the frames. They've spend tons of R&D on making a stiff frame for road racing. More then a quater of the cost you for a road bike is due to matierals and R&D related to making a stiff and light frame. The rigidity of materials for race bike has been increased four fold, since the start of road racing. And the stiffer or more reactive your suspension is, the greater the flex of your bike. Dont know why youd think your frame flex is OK when you dont know what it feels like without it. But if the factory bike makers have spent tons of money and time on reducing flex on road bikes doesn't tell you that it is some kind of consideration you should look into, then dont. But FYI i've knowticed i can go from full lean to full lean 2-3 times faster since ive modded the frame, because the response is that much quicker. Dont mod your frame, but dont negate what im doing to my bike. The proofs in the pudding for me, when im passing up the same frame un modded with 30% more power, or holding off pit bikes in the twisty sections.

You dont draw perfect circles with a compass made out of cardboard, dont know why you think a two wheeled vehicle can maintain proper geometry in a turn when its flexing and twisting. Dont know how else to put emphasis on this point guys. doesn't seem to sink in that your chinese manufactured mid track bike has less in common with a real sport bike, then a dirt bike does in design... Enough? Then stop commenting on how you think its overkill. AND FYI the bike now weighs 121.4lbs. still 30 lbs lighter then all your full fairing, starter equiped, battery having, race bikes. And i still consider that too heavy for my own personal use. and the motor will survive anything the ground can throw at it now.



Hey man, im not trying to dog on your job man. I feel for those who have jobs in the domestic motors market. My best wishes w/ you man. But you hear me on this deal? Becuase you dont hear me screaming "WHYYY" from the back of the shop when im working on a honda. Aside from the concept that oil prices are sky rocketing and the big 3 hasent figure out they need to stop producing luxery, SUV, Trucks and retro sports cars with big v8s under the hood, a huge part of it is the companies themselves. toyota's CEO made 3milion in bonuses from his company during last year, while there down 40% from their 150+% sales increased from 2007 figures. Fords been going down hill, and still their CEO made 300 million in bonuses off the company...The average japanese production line worker is making 30-40 dollars an hour per production hour. American auto line workers cost 70+ an hour of production from benifits and union costs. Mix that with the fact they cant sell anything right now due to wrong direction w/ fuel economy and a reluctance to up the quality of there productions that have been haunted by a long past of poor manufacting from the get go at the factory.... They've kinda @#^ed themselves on this one.

did my responce require two paragraphs of someone trying to explain something i didnt kno? i mean generaly your bike was over done it doesnt need a engine protection bar unless your going off a cliff rolleye0010

[Unproracer]

Read the damn text that explains why i built it. YES, i felt it was necessary since you obviously don't get it.

Oh and as for the other comment, you really have no clue what sacrifices you are willing to take when you decide to race do you? Look at the pictures and tell me you think id be real intelligent to NOT build the cradle for the engine. That's all previous damage from low sides, and the covers smashed in from a single crash. Not to mention after wards i found a big puddle of oil on the floor below it, leaking out the, now cracked case half's. If you have enough money you don't care about half your paycheck dragging on the ground everytime your bike decides it doesn't wanna make it around a turn, rubber side down, cool. Then do it, and leave me the hell alone. I'm not some rich yuppie jerk off who can afford that. And I'm not some !@# who gets a mid bike to sit in my garage because it think it looks cool...(feel free to be offended while trying to convince me that not what you do) Whether or not you get what I'm trying to say, just don't talk to me anymore if you want to avoid listening to me tell you how ignorant you are. Its my bike and ill do whatever the hell i damn well please too it!

[Unproracer]

Unpro build your bike to your liking.If this is what you feel is necessary for you then it's all good.thumbsup2 That's why i like these cheap mids.Mainly because you get to develope the bike and make it suitable to your needs.Which is priceless in my book.

You are gearing your bike up to do some serious battling out on the track.thumbsup2 If you get the chance to get some slicks.Pick them up i promise you won't regret it.

It would be nice if you guys could make it up to VIR in the new year.A full weekend of racing total bliss.

Yea man i was lookin at some sava 350x10 MC 0's for the front, not sure what i can do for the rear, i know that michilin makes bopper scooter tires, that are street slicks, that might be for the best, looking at how fast im mohawking the kenda sports i just put on there a mo. ago. whats the profile of the tires on your, there savas yea? how much and where did you get them? all the ones i can find online have that british pounds sign on them, compounded by the fact parts unlimited doesnt carry any savas....well they got the sava white wall retro tires...

Id love to come to VIR it looks badass in all the videos i've youtubed. But for the price of driving down there, hotels, food and track time, we could pay for infinite track days at our parking lot lol.

[X7rocks]

Really expect me a kid to be rich enough to afford whenever it breaks? im poor as dirt and i still managed to get my bike fast.

[swheels]

Yea man i was lookin at some sava 350x10 MC 0's for the front, not sure what i can do for the rear, i know that michilin makes bopper scooter tires, that are street slicks, that might be for the best, looking at how fast im mohawking the kenda sports i just put on there a mo. ago. whats the profile of the tires on your, there savas yea? how much and where did you get them? all the ones i can find online have that british pounds sign on them, compounded by the fact parts unlimited doesnt carry any savas....well they got the sava white wall retro tires...

Id love to come to VIR it looks badass in all the videos i've youtubed. But for the price of driving down there, hotels, food and track time, we could pay for infinite track days at our parking lot lol.I can't argue with that.
The full slicks i run(well atleast on the rear)Is made by Vee Rubber.My rear tire size is a 120/80-10.I opt not to use the front slick because i didn't like the feel and feedback i was getting from it.The front slicks work exceptionally well.I just didn't like it 1.it didn't have enough of a crown.2. i was use to the feel of the dunlop tt91 on the front.Plus it had such a nice crown that i knew it would get me close enough to getting on the edge of the front and rear tire.
The rear slick has a HUGE crown and before you get the edge of it.You'll end up scraping the whole side of your leg.I'm going with the dunlop tt92 for front tire for next season because they are suppose to offer more grip than the tt91's.thumbsup2

So my front tire is a 80/90-10 dunlopTT91 the rear is a Vee Rubber 120/80-10 medium compound.(i'll be running the softer compound for the up coming season).
http://www.xmrpros.com/store/store.php?pg1-cid42.html
These guys have a hard time keeping the soft compound slicks in stock.So try calling them first.The mediums work great but in the cooler temp.It takes a few laps to get them up to speed.But have a gander at the tt92's.

[Unproracer]

I can't argue with that.
The full slicks i run(well atleast on the rear)Is made by Vee Rubber.My rear tire size is a 120/80-10.I opt not to use the front slick because i didn't like the feel and feedback i was getting from it.The front slicks work exceptionally well.I just didn't like it 1.it didn't have enough of a crown.2. i was use to the feel of the dunlop tt91 on the front.Plus it had such a nice crown that i knew it would get me close enough to getting on the edge of the front and rear tire.
The rear slick has a HUGE crown and before you get the edge of it.You'll end up scraping the whole side of your leg.I'm going with the dunlop tt92 for front tire for next season because they are suppose to offer more grip than the tt91's.thumbsup2

So my front tire is a 80/90-10 dunlopTT91 the rear is a Vee Rubber 120/80-10 medium compound.(i'll be running the softer compound for the up coming season).
http://www.xmrpros.com/store/store.php?pg1-cid42.html
These guys have a hard time keeping the soft compound slicks in stock.So try calling them first.The mediums work great but in the cooler temp.It takes a few laps to get them up to speed.But have a gander at the tt92's.

Do you remeber the profiles offered for the rear and front in that slick style? My fronts pretty wide, not that much crown, so i might be willing to work with that. thinking_smilie Although i hear what your saying with the whole riding on the ragged edge of the tire. Thankfully my style favors hanging off much more then leaning over. I've emailed XMR about slicks a few times, they have yet to respond to me and by the time i think about it during the day, they are already closed, damn Eastern standerd time. angry_red

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

unpro, i use these vee rubber slicks on the rear and they are amazing
i got the soft ones and they wont last long but you wont slide or slip out

[Unproracer]

unpro, i use these vee rubber slicks on the rear and they are amazing
i got the soft ones and they wont last long but you wont slide or slip out

Lol damn, very nice. thumbsup2 how many hard hours do you think you got out of those? I dont know if i can justify anything less then 75 bucks for at least 15 hours...? Is that on the border of unrealistic?

[swheels]

Do you remeber the profiles offered for the rear and front in that slick style? My fronts pretty wide, not that much crown, so i might be willing to work with that. thinking_smilie Although i hear what your saying with the whole riding on the ragged edge of the tire. Thankfully my style favors hanging off much more then leaning over. I've emailed XMR about slicks a few times, they have yet to respond to me and by the time i think about it during the day, they are already closed, damn Eastern standerd time. angry_redThe theres only 1 profile for the fronts 80/90-10.The same for the rears 120/80-10.But they do offer them in 2 different compounds.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

that tire was good, i think it might have lasted two days maybe 3 of hard racing
then again im a newbie and i prolly dont ride as tough as you, so it might not last you as long, it was like 80-85 bux
i scraped the ball on the end of my pegs in half in 3 races, so it was sticking good

[swheels]

You still got some life left in that tire.Hell if you don't think it's still good i'll buy it and run it at VIR.The wear hole on my rear slick are damn near gone since the last pic of my tire.But that's mostly do the surface at the lot i practice in.bluelaugh That's why i had to get the mediums.

[Unproracer]

that tire was good, i think it might have lasted two days maybe 3 of hard racing
then again im a newbie and i prolly dont ride as tough as you, so it might not last you as long, it was like 80-85 bux
i scraped the ball on the end of my pegs in half in 3 races, so it was sticking good

dont sound too bad, but its gonna be a minute, i cant justify spending money on tires when i still have a perfectly good set, even if they dont have the stick.... Specially after sprining for the motor man. Damn thing cost more then the entire bike did, first new internal combustion engine ive ever owned, including cars, bikes! Hence why it required a cage lol. Anyways, thanks for the heads up guys. when these are no longer sticking ill probably save up for a set. They look like they work well.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

unpro, ya i hear ya on the motor expense, when i crashed it shattered the clutch area in mine, a cage wouldnt even helped in that instance
i need to keep this one running good
swheels, no way jose', ill be runnin that slick at vir if i dont get another one before then, hey i bet it will hang in the off camber corner, i lowsided with the rear maxxis

[Unproracer]

unpro, ya i hear ya on the motor expense, when i crashed it shattered the clutch area in mine, a cage wouldnt even helped in that instance
i need to keep this one running good
swheels, no way jose', ill be runnin that slick at vir if i dont get another one before then, hey i bet it will hang in the off camber corner, i lowsided with the rear maxxis

Mmmmmm. off camber corners....sounds....'technical' .... my friends a great business man, im trying to convince him to buy some cheap property and build a mini road course/kart track/off road park for a business. Something epic along the lines of a mini leguna seca kinda deal with elevation changes, technical turns and what not. We looked into the insurance and its outragouse for not knowing if we even have a customer base but still looking into it.

[swheels]

unpro, ya i hear ya on the motor expense, when i crashed it shattered the clutch area in mine, a cage wouldnt even helped in that instance
i need to keep this one running good
swheels, no way jose', ill be runnin that slick at vir if i dont get another one before then, hey i bet it will hang in the off camber corner, i lowsided with the rear maxxisYes it'll be great.But don't forget when you had your maxxis tire on you still had the stock rear suspension and footpegs to low.Now it's a hole different ball game for yeah.

Mmmmmm. off camber corners....sounds....'technical' .... my friends a great business man, im trying to convince him to buy some cheap property and build a mini road course/kart track/off road park for a business. Something epic along the lines of a mini leguna seca kinda deal with elevation changes, technical turns and what not. We looked into the insurance and its outrageous for not knowing if we even have a customer base but still looking into it.When i moved down to Nc i was looking into building a track.Found out the liability insurance was through the roof.Plus topped off by some of the people lookin to get rich quick sceamers.Killed the project before i could find a good spot to set up.LOL
I've always dreamed about doing a laguna layout for smaller bikes.I think over all i would have went with the exact same layout as the lot in Ct my buddies and i would ride in.It was huge with and had everything.The only flat section was a righthand sweeper that tightened up to a sharper right hand turn.Man it felt like your were on a roller coaster.LOL Will always be my number 1 spot.

[rene13]

Mmmmmm. off camber corners....sounds....'technical' .... my friends a great business man, im trying to convince him to buy some cheap property and build a mini road course/kart track/off road park for a business. Something epic along the lines of a mini leguna seca kinda deal with elevation changes, technical turns and what not. We looked into the insurance and its outragouse for not knowing if we even have a customer base but still looking into it.

Yes it'll be great.But don't forget when you had your maxxis tire on you still had the stock rear suspension and footpegs to low.Now it's a hole different ball game for yeah.

When i moved down to Nc i was looking into building a track.Found out the liability insurance was through the roof.Plus topped off by some of the people lookin to get rich quick sceamers.Killed the project before i could find a good spot to set up.LOL
I've always dreamed about doing a laguna layout for smaller bikes.I think over all i would have went with the exact same layout as the lot in Ct my buddies and i would ride in.It was huge with and had everything.The only flat section was a righthand sweeper that tightened up to a sharper right hand turn.Man it felt like your were on a roller coaster.LOL Will always be my number 1 spot.

It s funny that yall mention building the track cause I thought of doing the same. I have family that are in the construction business back home in Texas and I have talked to them about helping me build and they are up for it. Yeah the insurance companies ooare on the pipe, but I found a legal loop hole the way I am going to do it. It will be a private track and I will host my own events. As for insurance I will have a lawyer write up a waiver in case of injury that must be signed before stepping on my property. First things first I have to finish school first. Meanwhile when I first move back home I have found a couple of tracks that I could rent out and host my own event, even if its a few mids. I figured once people see these mids race, they will be wait a minute I have one of those, I didin't know they raced them. and the bug begins. thats helps us gain exposure. I will try to do that this coming riding season here in Michigan.hangloose

Two of those tree have to many turns IMO?dunno

[swheels]

Even if i was to do it privately and with the waiver signatures.The minimum liability costs was still high.And if a lawsuit was brought up the plaintiff could get away with hiring one of those fly by night lawyers.While the track owner has to higher a pretty decent to great lawyer to protect themselves and their investments.

[stuntnx7]

Even if i was to do it privately and with the waiver signatures.The minimum liability costs was still high.And if a lawsuit was brought up the plaintiff could get away with hiring one of those fly by night lawyers.While the track owner has to higher a pretty decent to great lawyer to protect themselves and their investments.



the waiver gets you out of any legal problems if its worded like its supposed to be

[125ccCrazy]

It s funny that yall mention building the track cause I thought of doing the same. I have family that are in the construction business back home in Texas and I have talked to them about helping me build and they are up for it. Yeah the insurance companies ooare on the pipe, but I found a legal loop hole the way I am going to do it. It will be a private track and I will host my own events. As for insurance I will have a lawyer write up a waiver in case of injury that must be signed before stepping on my property. First things first I have to finish school first. Meanwhile when I first move back home I have found a couple of tracks that I could rent out and host my own event, even if its a few mids. I figured once people see these mids race, they will be wait a minute I have one of those, I didin't know they raced them. and the bug begins. thats helps us gain exposure. I will try to do that this coming riding season here in Michigan.hangloose

Two of those tree have to many turns IMO?dunno
where is that at Rene?? Looks like some good straights for drag racing too thumbsup2 I'm all up for that, maybe put a stock swinger on my son's bike and let him road race it..

[swheels]

the waiver gets you out of any legal problems if its worded like its supposed to beTo an extent yes.A good lawyer will find the loop holes.The law is some crazy ish.

[stuntnx7]

To an extent yes.A good lawyer will find the loop holes.The law is some crazy ish.



a good lawyer doesnt leave loop holes

[swheels]

Back on topic..... Did you get to fire up the motor yet?

[rene13]

sorry for that minor thread jack.

125ccrazy thats in Houston Texas.

Yeah have you gotten that bad boy fired up yet.

[Unproracer]

Back on topic..... Did you get to fire up the motor yet?

heh...heh heh.... last night i was stuck....didn't get much sleep last night thinking about this one. Damn carbs big, and higher up. Right where the fuel tank goes. I broke down and massacred the stock tank to make it work..Thank god i have body man exp... Check pic rolleye0010

As for the firing up..... man its throaty.... i didn't have much time to play with it, had a dinner to go to. But it definitely sounded like trouble. revs so quick.... i don't know what to do, I've never had a new motor of any kind. I fired it up on motul mineral oils. Wont be able to ride it till i build some rear sets... Its gonna be hard to work on cars and not that bike tomorrow.... Dont worry, im not gonna leave work untill i get to at least bang a few gears in the parking lot.

[The Nutty Professor]

Damn fine work on that tank. I had almost the same problem but had a little bit more room. Didn't that motor come with a IRK if so that's why it spins up so fast no flywheel to slow it down. There's less torque the same size motor with one but with you coming off a 110cc you ain't gonna notice it at all.

[Unproracer]

a good lawyer doesnt leave loop holes

When it comes to letting people do things w/ known dangers on your property for whatever reason, even with a liability waiver, you only cover them hurting themselfs in the act. they may not be able to sue if someone crashes during a race, but a good lawyer could make a case against anyone if some kinda of blaten neglagence could be proven on part of the owners of the property.

Thanks nutty for the comment. The plastic welder came in handy this time around for sure. Had to cut up a extra x7 tank i had to make it work. Shes all back together, just working on welding some aluminum rear sets up. Yea it has a IRK according to the wholesaler i bought it from.

[swheels]

Mighty fine job on that tank!:clap:
I wanted/need to alter my tank also because of the carb.But I get terrible gas mileage now so i didn't want take away any potential volume of the tank and make it worse.

[125ccCrazy]

nicely done there bro, looks like it should work just dandy for ya thumbsup2

I had the same problem on my x12 so I turned the tank around and moved it all the way forward which worked out great since I'm using a customized x1 tank cover, the filler hole in the x1 cover is in a different spot than the stock x12 body so by moving my tank the filler cap lines up with the hole in the tank cover plus it clears the carb now....rock2

sorry for that minor thread jack.

125ccrazy thats in Houston Texas.

Yeah have you gotten that bad boy fired up yet.

I just squirted some fuel in the carb and kicked it over, it popped a few times but that was it, can't really run it now, it's in the basement LOL...

[Unproracer]

Thats it folks. Finished product.... short of painting the rear sets. The aluminum ones i made didn't work out...dunno but i can't wait till the first oil change. Does anyone know if they run the engines at the factory or that stock oil is just complimentary? It feels like its gonna scream once i make sure the ring are seated...

[Unproracer]

For as many times as i've knocked body work, i know im gonna catch some flak for this ...:DI: I did some dyno tuning, it was really rich...so now the motors becoming a bit much for the parking lot, and local kart tracks here req. sliders or fairings, so im doin' both. The plastics are salvaged off my x7's. After tons of consideration i've decided that w/ the stock triple tree setup, ill be replacing spacers, bearings, bolts and possibly tubes) left and right if fixed clip-ons took the blow if i wreck. So i built slider mounts off the frame, that will come thru the side of the body work via a hole saw and keep the bodywork and handle bars off the ground. (cheaper on levers too) deadhorse I know, i know...

These mock up pics are a bit late, the paints already drying on all the new frame mounts for the bodywork and sliders, lots of bodywork ahead as you can see in the pics but its the next step w/o really having to spend any money. Not that itll make it faster or handle better but at least ill be able to compete in mini league out here afterwards.

Sorry Swheels, Im not gonna say that i somehow had this idea before seeing your bike, that'd be a lie. Gotta giving credit where credit is due. :clap:

Gotta change the thread name i guess..

[ninja x1]

dam that looks sick!!!!!!rock2 nice job man looks professionalthumbsup2:phat:

[Unproracer]

dam that looks sick!!!!!!rock2 nice job man looks professionalthumbsup2:phat:

Lol, professional is not what i was really going for (unpro..) but ill take the compliment anyhow heh, thanks man. thumbsup2

[swheels]

You did an excellent job.thumbsup2thumbsup2
Now us yamaha guys can really swap tech info to make sure yamaha kepp chargin to the front of the grid.
Truth be told like you i didn't have much choice.LOL I made a pack with my 2stroke x7.That i'll never get rid of her.If she promise to be good.The bike never gave my a problem or let me down.LOL but i felt guilty when i moved to the 4 stroke mid.So in her memories i used the fairings they are like my good luck charm.crazy_smilie

[X7rocks]

vary kinky looks great

[Ghost Rider]

Looks good Unpro...Yes i give all credit to Swheels for the x7 body on x18 bikebows_smilie...and vapor trail tech. Without his bike i probably wouldnt have the passion to fix mine up and attempt to get into racing. :clap:

Unpro,
I picked up a set of brand new black CBR frame sliders and i was trying to find the right spot on the frame to install them. It needs to be a strong spot but the frame is a little awkward at some angle so im not sure where theyre going yet. Im doing the same hole saw idea on the side fairings but i just gotta pick a spot before i drill. Let me know whatcha end up doin.

[Unproracer]

You did an excellent job.thumbsup2thumbsup2
Now us yamaha guys can really swap tech info to make sure yamaha kepp chargin to the front of the grid.
Truth be told like you i didn't have much choice.LOL I made a pack with my 2stroke x7.That i'll never get rid of her.If she promise to be good.The bike never gave my a problem or let me down.LOL but i felt guilty when i moved to the 4 stroke mid.So in her memories i used the fairings they are like my good luck charm.crazy_smilie

Lol the guys that i ride with all love the little x7, when we all gt some money were gonna buy two more and have x7 exclusive races(there might be some elbows and kicking involved). But since i've gotten acustomed to the x18, ive been low siding the x7 2-3 times a time trial. Doesn't help the rear wheels bald and the front brake doesn't work anymore lol.

[Unproracer]

Unpro,
I picked up a set of brand new black CBR frame sliders and i was trying to find the right spot on the frame to install them. It needs to be a strong spot but the frame is a little awkward at some angle so im not sure where theyre going yet. Im doing the same hole saw idea on the side fairings but i just gotta pick a spot before i drill. Let me know whatcha end up doin.

Lol i cheated man, i got welder(s) ... i made my own brackets w/ guesset reinforcments to the epacenter of tubings on the frame. The extension is to keep my handles off the ground. If i was you, id weld a small but thick plate on the oval frame tube and weld a nut to it, for your sliders. If you cut into that oval peice, it might compromis your frame structure. GL man, BTW you see the post about your rear shock setup? I used 2-3 coils off the 600lbs spring stacked on top the 1500lbs stock spring, made it progressive.(leave pre-load low like 3-6 turns in untill suspension sag is about 1 1/2 inchs drop w/ your weight on it) Increditable feel now, not too stiff, a little bit of sag, sucks up all the road irregularities.

[Unproracer]

had to do a number w/ the plastic welder on the front fairing, but a little filler and paint, working on the belly pan.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

did you wreck already?

[Unproracer]

did you wreck already?

lol no there salvaged plastics off other bikes that were already wrecked. give me time thuogh

[Supercharged]

what cc is that engine, i have the same oil cooler thats why im asking

[Unproracer]

what cc is that engine, i have the same oil cooler thats why im asking

140cc.

[The Nutty Professor]

Hey you going to put the B-Boz number back on the bike? And Sup I just noticed your tag like...thumbsup2 damn it's cool :clap:

[Supercharged]

Hey you going to put the B-Boz number back on the bike? And Sup I just noticed your tag like...thumbsup2 damn it's cool :clap:


whatcha talkin about a tag professor?

[Unproracer]

Hey you going to put the B-Boz number back on the bike? And Sup I just noticed your tag like...thumbsup2 damn it's cool :clap:

Lol yea, ben bostom is 155 huh? I knew i had seen that number somewhere before i put it on the bike. Perhaps, the pbgp isnt official enough that the numbers registered.

The tag lol, you should of seen the faces of the moms in the park when i came up and ask one of them to take a picture. After i got off the thing all the kids i was waving to hopped on it and were trying to emulate.

[Supercharged]

Lol yea, ben bostom is 155 huh? I knew i had seen that number somewhere before i put it on the bike. Perhaps, the pbgp isnt official enough that the numbers registered.

The tag lol, you should of seen the faces of the moms in the park when i came up and ask one of them to take a picture. After i got off the thing all the kids i was waving to hopped on it and were trying to emulate.

LOLOL what is a tag?!?

[The Nutty Professor]

That's it. hahahaha

"I recommend that you and google get together and do some research before posting."

[dna316]

lmao. nice one nut

[Supercharged]

That's it. hahahaha

"I recommend that you and google get together and do some research before posting."

oooo hehebluelaughmoon1

yea you know we get sick of the same old same old sheebang

sorry for the thread jack unpro

[Unproracer]

oooo hehebluelaughmoon1

yea you know we get sick of the same old same old sheebang

sorry for the thread jack unpro

Gravy, im getting use to it lol.

[Unproracer]

Still in mock up. No paint or bodywork yet, just making the plastics fit and function. 1 1/2 qt. belly pan capacity, etc..

[The Nutty Professor]

If those zipties are the exact measure of fork travel...dude you're getting some serious stroke there speechless33 No saying it shouldn't travel that far but in the lot you're in that's a bit much. That kind of travel is usually seen at higher speeds. Of course just my opinion on one photo from through a forum but you might want to work on those forks to get them dialed in. From your vid's it looks like you've learned to ride around it but like you said the other guys are going to step it up so fixing that now will pay off big time later. Also if you change locations to a faster track it will payoff right away.

[Unproracer]

If those zipties are the exact measure of fork travel...dude you're getting some serious stroke there speechless33 No saying it shouldn't travel that far but in the lot you're in that's a bit much. That kind of travel is usually seen at higher speeds. Of course just my opinion on one photo from through a forum but you might want to work on those forks to get them dialed in. From your vid's it looks like you've learned to ride around it but like you said the other guys are going to step it up so fixing that now will pay off big time later. Also if you change locations to a faster track it will payoff right away.


Actually our track has some huge surface issues. Drainage ditches, and large bumps on corner entries. The suspension is solid on flat surfaces (our alternative parking lot), and only has id say about 1 inche max travel when im riding it. Its not the best front end but untill i can afford some cartridge emulators..... The fork travel tools (zip ties) are up high from wrenching down on tiedowns getting it into my truck. If i could sink the front end down that far the lower wheel would catch the fairings and my bike would explode...

[Unproracer]

Don't forget there are air nipples on my forks. There aired all the way down for that track. Depending on road surface i can put in 'bout 5psi and they dont compress more then 1/4 and inch. Has anyone tried welding holes closed on the dampening rods before?

[The Nutty Professor]

OK I got it. Yeah I think Swheels welded some shut I know he mentioned it to me.

[Unproracer]

OK I got it. Yeah I think Swheels welded some shut I know he mentioned it to me.


Lol must not of been all that effective if hes sticking hood struts in em now lol. Damn, thought i had figured that one out for a second.

[swheels]

Lol must not of been all that effective if hes sticking hood struts in em now lol. Damn, thought i had figured that one out for a second.LOL once i perfect the setup.Then theres gonna be a lot of midbikers and motards guys running to their local junkyard or auto part stores looking for struts.LOLthumbsup2

Nah i opt not to weld them because once you do.Then it's sorta permanent to a degree.As for the emulators After thinking about it.It's not gonna be worth the effort for me to make them.Reason being is there only gonna do the same job as the limiters i made.There is no valving to them to make them adjustable in anyway.So it would basically have the same effect as dropping a modded strut in.Except it would be easier to remove the strut.thumbsup2

[Unproracer]

Nah i opt not to weld them because once you do.Then it's sorta permanent to a degree.As for the emulators After thinking about it.It's not gonna be worth the effort for me to make them.Reason being is there only gonna do the same job as the limiters i made.There is no valving to them to make them adjustable in anyway.So it would basically have the same effect as dropping a modded strut in.Except it would be easier to remove the strut.thumbsup2

Racetechs are adj. You just have to open the cap everytime. And what do you mean permanent? You have a welder but you dont have a drill ? bluelaugh.

What gets me is why the hell does it seem like the only range thats dampened by the dampening rods is the range your bikes travel cant even reach unless the spring caps are off.... Youd think in a dampening rod, it wouldnt matter where in the stroke, the fluid would still have to pass thru the orifice holes.

Swheels do you perhaps have a pic of the stock dampening rod, and fork internals? Im kinda too lazy to take mine off and open them up. specially right before this weekends race.

[swheels]

Racetechs are adj. You just have to open the cap everytime. And what do you mean permanent? You have a welder but you dont have a drill ? bluelaugh.Ummm for some reason i can't see myself in the pits at a race taking my forks apart to drill out the dampening rods or pulling out the emulators to readjust them.By the time you do all that the race will be over And you'll still be in the pits.bluelaughbluelaughmoon1
Besides when you go to 3 or 4 different tracks your setup may have to change for each track.
So that's why i'm always looking for ways to cut down on the setup time on race days or even open trackdays.
They don't come with the nylon spacer or anything.Just naked rod.

[Unproracer]

Ummm for some reason i can't see myself in the pits at a race taking my forks apart to drill out the dampening rods or pulling out the emulators to readjust them.By the time you do all that the race will be over And you'll still be in the pits.bluelaughbluelaughmoon1
Besides when you go to 3 or 4 different tracks your setup may have to change for each track.
So that's why i'm always looking for ways to cut down on the setup time on race days or even open trackdays.
They don't come with the nylon spacer or anything.Just naked rod.

Where exactly does that valve come into play and what is it? metering valve? Ive taken apart full size sport bikes dampening forks and i've never seen that before....

BTW the race techs you just take off one spring cap at a time, use a long extension and a allen socket down the middle of the spring and adj, put the cap back on. No drilling or disassembly required. Check out the book modifying (or projects?) on metric(meter?) bikes. its a autoworkx book like the motorcycle design and tech book, on google. They show installation and how it works. They look legit to me. You can try all you want to make something to work on as a dampening system, but nothing will be better then a cartidge setup, next best thing is a emulated cartridge setup. I know you are mcgyvers cousin and all but you cant beat a cartidge set of forks.

[swheels]

Where exactly does that valve come into play and what is it? metering valve? Ive taken apart full size sport bikes dampening forks and i've never seen that before....

BTW the race techs you just take off one spring cap at a time, use a long extension and a allen socket down the middle of the spring and adj, put the cap back on. No drilling or disassembly required. Check out the book modifying (or projects?) on metric(meter?) bikes. its a autoworkx book like the motorcycle design and tech book, on google. They show installation and how it works. They look legit to me. You can try all you want to make something to work on as a dampening system, but nothing will be better then a cartidge setup, next best thing is a emulated cartridge setup. I know you are mcgyvers cousin and all but you cant beat a cartidge set of forks.And with that said thats why i started experimenting with the struts.Trying to use them as cartridges i've even though of a way to make them adjustable too.thumbsup2 All i really need to do is get the right set of of springs and i will be good to go.
Now when you go to adjust the emulators.Once you remove the fork caps then theres no tension on the emulator.So chances are when you go to turn them to adjust them.More than likely the emulator will be turning also.Because they don't screw into place they just sit on top of the dampening rod and held in place by the spring.Just from sitting here i've even though of away to make the emulators adjustable without having to remove the forkcaps.You'll need extra hardware but it will cut down on the pit time.
Let see if i can't find the links i have on fork cartridges.
Not saying the emulators bad they might be what your looking for.But there's certain things that i've learned about these bikes.Is the less time spent in the pits better off you'll be.So i'm geared more towards quick tweaks and bam i'm done.We don't get a whole lot of time in between heats.So for the distance and the money it cost me to race or go to a open trackday.Spending even 20mins is just to much time for me in the pits.


These were things i was trying.None that stuff in the pic come inside these forks.Just the metal tube dampening rod that's it.

[swheels]

I know you are mcgyvers cousin and all but you cant beat a cartidge set of forks.Well i might be Mcgyver's cousin but YOU would actually have to BE Mcgyver.If you think your gonna adjust those emulators without having to pull the springs and emulators out of the forks.bluelaugh
I had to go back in my photo gallery and look again.Even my idea of making them so you can adjust them without taking the forkcaps off won't work.Even if i made a set that would work in our forks.The spring would still have to be removed to adjust them.I have a good set of those long socket head allen wrenches but they donnot fit through the center of the springs.

A pic is worth a thousand words.

[The Nutty Professor]

"S" is that the strut you made? If so DAMN! I'm still trying to figure out a way to get something like that done on the USD's :dunno: I also like those piston top emulators with them being spring actuated that would be a easy addition to the USD's because of the problems I've had figuring out external ways of adjusting them. I guess guys wonder why I have them if that's so hard...well it was give and take. I could easily add dual brake to these where-as using most of the others I would havehad to buy two sets to get the right lower legs. These were built with duals in mind. But they take a dive when it comes to adding any kind of adjuster. I know it can be done but I'm busy trying to get this second bike up and running without worrying about that. I no going to have another marathon session trying to get this one built.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

are you bringing two bikes to vir?

[The Nutty Professor]

I doubt it. I need another set of rims to get a second bike together and finish up the 3v motor. Then build a exhaust system which I'm doing now for the X15 at the same time I'm tightening up the brake system. It was mushy at times and I finally figured out there are to many nuts, bolts, and parts. When they heat up they loosen up so I'm cutting that in half and since I've done it a few times now bluelaugh it's going quick it's just finding time.

Hey pro I showed a guy who knows a few things about suspension a photo of your rear spring setup. He's rebuild a couple Ohlins systems for racing. Well that's not really true he was Ohlins trackside suspension tuner for AMA Pro Racing so it was more than a couple. You know those little things I think they call them Superbikes :dunno: moon1 Anyway Pro, no he wasn't critical and no he didn't laugh, he kind of turn his head sideways and said "He's going to have some major problems there when he really reall starts to push it and that might be the reason for some of his crashes." After showing him the photo I showed him the video's. What he said made sense. He said if you keep the system you need a coupler between the two springs. The way he explained it was two cups back to back that the springs would sit in. There is also a second cup inside with a flat floor separating the two. Hm let's try that again. OK take a steel tube that would fit over the outside of the springs and theres one that would fit inside. The tubes keep the springs from moving side to side and out of line with each other. Now the tubes can't free float so in between you use a donut washer that gives each spring a flat surface to push against. The cut the tube in half and place the washer in the middle. In a steel or aluminum setup weld the pieces together after lining then up. Oh the cups only need to be as high as maybe one and a half or two coils. His explanation was that when you have two coils touching each other like that they both have two different harmonic frequencies. When they're working the vibration are trailing down the springs and slamming into each other. On a very long smooth track meaning somewhere like VIR or the better tracks out west you will end up will some serious rear wheel problems. He said putting longer tracks and gripper tires (Slicks) on that will bring out the problems he means real quick.

He actually had a Ohlins shock someone was trying to tune on the cheap the same way. He said the guy couldn't figure out why the bike was acting so funny in the rear. He'd had the shock on for 3-4 track days without a problem. Well the guy started to get faster and added better tires. It worked with a set of tires that slid like riding on ice and a rider who hadn't gotten up to speed yet, but once he was really pushing it was slipping his arse all over the place.

He also said you can have a very good welder weld them but they won't stay that way long and if they snap in a corner you'll b on the ground faster than you can blink.

[Unproracer]

you use a donut washer that gives each spring a flat surface to push against. The cut the tube in half and place the washer in the middle. In a steel or aluminum setup weld the pieces together after lining then up. Oh the cups only need to be as high as maybe one and a half or two coils. His explanation was that when you have two coils touching each other like that they both have two different harmonic frequencies. When they're working the vibration are trailing down the springs and slamming into each other. On a very long smooth track meaning somewhere like VIR or the better tracks out west you will end up will some serious rear wheel problems. He said putting longer tracks and gripper tires (Slicks) on that will bring out the problems he means real quick.



He also said you can have a very good welder weld them but they won't stay that way long and if they snap in a corner you'll b on the ground faster than you can blink.


Lol you think your the only one with access to SBK tuners !?! Heh, i was told something similar by a moto shop owner / retired AMA champ out here. He made mention of the size and the power output would make this phenomena pretty hard to experience but im not sure anyone who hasn't ridden one, just how fast and hard we ride em. But i digress. If you haven't taken note..the rear upper shock mount is not permanent for all these reasons. Im not even gonna settle with this setup up. It was 50 bucks on ebay. Its working for me so far but soon as i get another shock setup itll become some more cannon fodder. Thx for the note though, its a good call, i contemplated welding the springs but i wasn't about to heat up something with metallurgical properties as such. Maybe now w/ the TIG since i can project the heat pattern a little more precise i might, but like i said, im leaning more towards upgrading at some point.

Swheels, heh i hear your point, im going to ask one of the guys at the race this weekend how hard it is to adj his in his kx65(ohlins rear, tuned,slicks...omg fast), and if im mcgyver, much love for continueing the family reputation cousin, but im not sure hood struts are the proper direction either... Most suspension for something that static creates a lot of friction. Not only would i guess the shock fluid wouldn't be up to the challenge, nor would the seals?? IDK for sure, but considering the application....anyhow

[swheels]

"S" is that the strut you made? If so DAMN! I'm still trying to figure out a way to get something like that done on the USD's :dunno: I also like those piston top emulators with them being spring actuated that would be a easy addition to the USD's because of the problems I've had figuring out external ways of adjusting them. I guess guys wonder why I have them if that's so hard...well it was give and take. I could easily add dual brake to these where-as using most of the others I would havehad to buy two sets to get the right lower legs. These were built with duals in mind. But they take a dive when it comes to adding any kind of adjuster. I know it can be done but I'm busy trying to get this second bike up and running without worrying about that. I no going to have another marathon session trying to get this one built.No Nutty P that's a fork cartridge from a mtb.Which sorta proves my point.That a hood strut can be used and be efficient IF done properly.

Lol you think your the only one with access to SBK tuners !?! Heh, i was told something similar by a moto shop owner / retired AMA champ out here. He made mention of the size and the power output would make this phenomena pretty hard to experience but im not sure anyone who hasn't ridden one, just how fast and hard we ride em. But i digress. If you haven't taken note..the rear upper shock mount is not permanent for all these reasons. Im not even gonna settle with this setup up. It was 50 bucks on ebay. Its working for me so far but soon as i get another shock setup itll become some more cannon fodder. Thx for the note though, its a good call, i contemplated welding the springs but i wasn't about to heat up something with metallurgical properties as such. Maybe now w/ the TIG since i can project the heat pattern a little more precise i might, but like i said, im leaning more towards upgrading at some point.

Swheels, heh i hear your point, im going to ask one of the guys at the race this weekend how hard it is to adj his in his kx65(ohlins rear, tuned,slicks...omg fast), and if im mcgyver, much love for continueing the family reputation cousin, but im not sure hood struts are the proper direction either... Most suspension for something that static creates a lot of friction. Not only would i guess the shock fluid wouldn't be up to the challenge, nor would the seals?? IDK for sure, but considering the application....anyhowPlease i don't want this to be i'm right your wrong or vice versa.I was just stating why I didn't feel the like emulators would be efficient enough for me.I looked them up over 2yrs ago i believe when i started my fork mod threads on PBP.But it was the pic that i've posted and some experiences i had at different tracks that made go another route.I would love to be able to drop those suckers in and be on my way.Unfortunately i can't do that.I discovered a while back why is was having so many problems when i got to the track.The lot i would practice and test in was super slippery.So i always thought hell if i could get my bike to handle here being on a track was breeze.LOL When i went to the Elgin track for the first time that ish went right out the window.I was able to get around the track and pretty quick for the first being on it.But the trade off was looking like i was gonna crash and burn going into and coming out of the turns.But the next time i went bike i had a 75% improvement and spent most of the day riding.SO because i don't get to ride my bike as much as i use to.I don't like to or want to spend any great amount of time tweaking.When i was working on the struts,it took very little time for me to reach in and pull them out and drop back to my original settings with the springs.(with trying to control the oil spill LOL)So thats why i think i can make them work for me with some modding ofcourse.Infact there are sites that you can purchase the valving and vavle re-build kits for fork cartridges.So trust me that i do have a plan.I just need the time to perfect it.

[Unproracer]

No Nutty P that's a fork cartridge from a mtb.Which sorta proves my point.That a hood strut can be used and be efficient IF done properly.

Please i don't want this to be i'm right your wrong or vice versa.I was just stating why I didn't feel the like emulators would be efficient enough for me.......
I don't like to or want to spend any great amount of time tweaking.When i was working on the struts,it took very little time for me to reach in and pull them out and drop back to my original settings with the springs. .....

Not an issue, didn't mean to come off combative, i understand opening forks to make adj. isn't a easy task, but i've been clocked in the head so many times by 7 yr old blown hood and deck lid struts i don't know if they can stand up to such static movement, weight and friction. I even questioned using mountain bike shocks because of this reason.

Infact there are sites that you can purchase the valving and vavle re-build kits for fork cartridges.So trust me that i do have a plan.I just need the time to perfect it.

Really?.... wait im confused, elaborate please.

I gotta deadhorse here though man. Really expensive or well designed suspension is lost on a frame that twists. It soaks up irregularities, but it can only make up for so much erratic geometry changes. Especially if you want to make quick changes in geometry via steering inputs. And the more power and traction you have, the more this is true. I have a hard time believing everyone will cure their suspension and handling woes via some ebay special or adpt. technology unless they take a serious look at what keeps the bike up and wheels down in the first place, proper geometry. Suspension is an addition to a bigger system that is two wheels inline. And cannot make up for all areas of handling.

I only know how fast my 140 is, but if you can't get traction with slicks and your modified suspension, maybe it is time to assume something else is wrong. I can't even image how fast my x18 will feel when i can afford some slicks for it. Its already outrageous and im only riding kendas k413s. I really have to be into the corner hard and on the throttle like a trigger to create huge traction issues for my setup. And im not even on track pavement...None of my friends or even i have crashed it since the frame mod, short of being brake checked at the races.

I understand i have access to some stuff not everyone gets to play with but even if you had to pay some money to have someone weld some pipes you fitted yourself on your frame...Its like know what darkess finally is, because you've finally seen the light. Unmistakably noticeable by the time your in 2nd gear.

[Unproracer]

Finished a rough paintjob, no belly pan, too much tire rub. But it works like this. Damn brake master seal went bad at the races, had 1/4 the brake power id say for the pocketbike GP. I know.wave_finger.bad idea but i couldn't resist..bluelaugh

[X7rocks]

id rock it thumbsup2

[The Nutty Professor]

Pro come on man give us a little more credit bluelaugh What I mean is the frames on the X-Bikes. No I haven't send it to GMD Computrak but I have done a lot of squaring and measuring on my last frame. Center line of motor and steering head was off by maybe 2mm once I was done with it. I'm not taking the time on this new chassis right now maybe later. We have also discussed at length the rake and trail of these bikes. Of course trying to change a lot of those factors is a long tall order.

As far as the frames being noodles I had the same thought until it was brought to my attention that these frames are very short. Being short is a major advantage. The shorter a steel tube is the less it flexes. Pro I know you know that I was saying that for others reading this. Now factor in the bends in the tubes which strengthens the tube yet again and make it stiff and you (I) start to see just how stiff they are. The Chinese have actually copied a Triumph frame and shrunk it. Those frames are heavy but stiff as all get-out.

We had another talk with someone for the life of me I can't remember who it was but he was adament that Mid's would never be able to catch the high dollar Pit Bike's made into motards or Euro pocket bikes. I and a lot of others can tell you Mid's are coming into their own and stomping the rich boys. They don't even want to get on the track with the XMR crew. Hell you've proved it countless times against your bud's. Those Pit Bikes must feel like there's a hinge in the middle of the bike when they really start to lay it down. Back bone frames for road racing is a big no no but they do it.

What I'm trying to say and you did say it already is that people who haven't ridden these bikes have no idea what they can do and how close they are to a full size when it comes to feel and reaction. We knew the suspension on these bikes were barely adequate. Now we have soft sticky slicks added to the equation we now have to hunt around for Pit Bike stuff which never fits and will have to be modified or putting our pea brains to the grinder and re-inventing the wheel or at least the 10 inch version.

Oh smokin hot bike. There's just something about a Yamaha body and that coming from a Ducati guy hahahaha

[X7rocks]

i know who it was...it was the person who said his 110cc bike was 160cc and had like 20 hp and it was also superbikeracer

.........douchebags

[Unproracer]

Pro come on man give us a little more credit bluelaugh What I mean is the frames on the X-Bikes. No I haven't send it to GMD Computrak but I have done a lot of squaring and measuring on my last frame. Center line of motor and steering head was off by maybe 2mm once I was done with it. I'm not taking the time on this new chassis right now maybe later. We have also discussed at length the rake and trail of these bikes. Of course trying to change a lot of those factors is a long tall order.

As far as the frames being noodles I had the same thought until it was brought to my attention that these frames are very short. Being short is a major advantage. The shorter a steel tube is the less it flexes. Pro I know you know that I was saying that for others reading this. Now factor in the bends in the tubes which strengthens the tube yet again and make it stiff and you (I) start to see just how stiff they are. The Chinese have actually copied a Triumph frame and shrunk it. Those frames are heavy but stiff as all get-out.


Im not saying my frames straight perfectly. Not that it has to be perfect standing still. Im talking about flex from riding it. Off throttle engine breaking and late breaking causes front end flex out from the turn, on throttle at all times leaned over, causes the rear wheel and swing arm to flex out from under the bike. Both forces cause geometry changes while your leaned over, at the most critical time!! If you stiffen the frame, the flex goes away, when you lean it over and start braking, the bikes rear tire tracks the front tire. If it flexes, that line changes and you must wait till the bike has finished flexing before making more inputs. More inputs, brake, turn, throttle, all create more flexing, each time you will have to wait till the bikes chassis has finished flexing before knowing how stable you are before your next input. This all occurs at all instances of cornering, and each frame flex adj. adds up to a huge amount of time waiting for the frame to settle before feeding more input.

Wonder why pitbikes are so damn quick? They lean the crap out of them all over the place and just throw them into the corners and what not? Because there dirt bike frames, made stiff and rigid. The less flex the frame does while your riding, the faster you will be able to make inputs. Rationalize it however you guys want, but i've done it, and i know the effect it has. Wouldn't you want to know? I do, its absolutely phenomenal. Everyone who rides it tells me how much it feels like a real sport bike. From AMA champs to fellow riders and even x bike riders at the races. I understand factors like rake and weight dist. and what not, but all thats attached to the frame, fix the frame first.

[swheels]

Really?.... wait im confused, elaborate please.

I gotta deadhorse here though man. Really expensive or well designed suspension is lost on a frame that twists. It soaks up irregularities, but it can only make up for so much erratic geometry changes. Especially if you want to make quick changes in geometry via steering inputs. And the more power and traction you have, the more this is true. I have a hard time believing everyone will cure their suspension and handling woes via some ebay special or adpt. technology unless they take a serious look at what keeps the bike up and wheels down in the first place, proper geometry. Suspension is an addition to a bigger system that is two wheels inline. And cannot make up for all areas of handling.

I only know how fast my 140 is, but if you can't get traction with slicks and your modified suspension, maybe it is time to assume something else is wrong. I can't even image how fast my x18 will feel when i can afford some slicks for it. Its already outrageous and im only riding kendas k413s. I really have to be into the corner hard and on the throttle like a trigger to create huge traction issues for my setup. And im not even on track pavement...None of my friends or even i have crashed it since the frame mod, short of being brake checked at the races.

I understand i have access to some stuff not everyone gets to play with but even if you had to pay some money to have someone weld some pipes you fitted yourself on your frame...Its like know what darkess finally is, because you've finally seen the light. Unmistakably noticeable by the time your in 2nd gear.Nah no problem with traction at all.In fact my front forks setup works great.What i'm doing now is trying to come up with simple ways for others to try and get there frontend dialed in more.Without having the need of heavy machinery.That's been my whole quest and motivation for the most part.That's why i don't like using my milling machine or lathe to make parts.Yes i'm stupid that way.
Nutty P can definitly back me up on this one the last time i been to the track in Elgin.My bike didn't skip a beat i mean it was on point except for the tuning of the carb that i through on at the night before.LOL I gave this kid on a 250cc yamaha ttr a fits when he tried to run me down on the track.The kid was no slouch neither cause 1. it was his home track and he had way more time on that track than me. 2.The first time i went there the motard guys(They were fast) would let me lead then run me down.It took them 3 laps and making some mistakes for them to catch me.Never the less they did catch me.But the last time at that track it was a whole new ball game.Infact going through the switch backs (and they were TIIGGHHTT) i would spin the rear tire at a real good lean angle.On top of that i had to grab a hand full of throttle to make it happen.The bike Stayed perfectly in line.So any chassis or swingarm flexing is not gonna let you do that without getting spit of the bike.
I love rear tire spinning that's what i try my hardest to do.I like to steer with the rear of the back when it's called for.These little bike don't leave much room for error.If something is wrong you'll no at the first turn you try and take.The tires i'm running have a good arc on the crown.You can't get this close or on the edge of the tires on a bad setup.Even no matter how good the suspension is.I can say my bike is as solid as a rock.(when i don't "F" up an the wheel alignment LOL)The only issue i have now is get the carb that i'm running jetted properly.I am ready this season to race.thumbsup2

[Unproracer]

The bike Stayed perfectly in line.So any chassis or swingarm flexing is not gonna let you do that without getting spit of the bike.
I love rear tire spinning that's what i try my hardest to do.I like to steer with the rear of the back when it's called for.These little bike don't leave much room for error.If something is wrong you'll no at the first turn you try and take.The tires i'm running have a good arc on the crown.You can't get this close or on the edge of the tires on a bad setup.Even no matter how good the suspension is.I can say my bike is as solid as a rock.(when i don't "F" up an the wheel alignment LOL)The only issue i have now is get the carb that i'm running jetted properly.I am ready this season to race.thumbsup2

Hah, sounds like a kinda familar riding style... I get it man, and im sure you smash and your frame probably does FEEL solid, but you don't know how solid i cant feel. You can't say its stiff as mine, nor can you assume you know how a boxed frame feels...so give me to benifit of doubt. Most poeple "know" there steering and suspension is perfectly fine on there cars, till we recommond new struts and tie rod ends. Then they come back and say "omg i had no idea how bad it felt before!!" God i would love to come down there and battle with you guys. boxing11 There are no modified x18s out here, and even less skillfull riders to race....you bastards and your VIR :DI:

[X7rocks]

the thing is...you modified your frame more then anything s did a mixture of motor and even better handleing...my flaw with my 18 is handling i put to much effort into motor power..just cuase i like to :)

if only i was in cali i would ride with you ,you should try to come by the east for vir

[swheels]

Hah, sounds like a kinda familar riding style... I get it man, and im sure you smash and your frame probably does FEEL solid, but you don't know how solid i cant feel. You can't say its stiff as mine, nor can you assume you know how a boxed frame feels...so give me to benifit of doubt. Most poeple "know" there steering and suspension is perfectly fine on there cars, till we recommond new struts and tie rod ends. Then they come back and say "omg i had no idea how bad it felt before!!" God i would love to come down there and battle with you guys. boxing11 There are no modified x18s out here, and even less skillfull riders to race....you bastards and your VIR :DI:No No No I take nothing away from what you did to your bike.thumbsup2 Oh and my chassis is modded it don't look pretty LOL but yeah it is modded.The rake has been extended the frontend is re-inforced and now i don't know the meaning of a frontend tuck.thumbsup2

Had a 89 gt that i built for drag then later started to convert it for road course racing.Did a few passes on the strip and few trackdays at the lime rock race track in Lime Rock CT plus it was some what a daily driver.(only in the summer spring and fall)Yep but you'll be surprise that not everybody knows how to drive or no what their car can do.

Yeah vir is gonna be a blast.But dude you guys got tons of tracks out there in cali and could race all year around.

[Unproracer]

Yeah vir is gonna be a blast.But dude you guys got tons of tracks out there in cali and could race all year around.

Yea i know, next super moto day at sears point, im gonna sign up, working on having the req. equipment for stockton SMRC too, not enough competition at the pbgp races. seen the vid? yea thats what happens when 2 or 3 competitors dont show... blah. Cali tracks all req. sliders, catch cans, safety wire, and two forms of brakes so i gotta a little more work to do.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

2 forms of brakes?
that sucks
im almost to the edge, i couldnt lean anymore, the pegs were already scraping
now that i fixed my ride height, i should be able to get that last half inch off there
unpro, in that vid, it looks like your the only one who isnt unpro
maybe change your name to semi-pro racer? lol

[Unproracer]

the thing is...you modified your frame more then anything s did a mixture of motor and even better handleing...my flaw with my 18 is handling i put to much effort into motor power..just cuase i like to :)

if only i was in cali i would ride with you ,you should try to come by the east for vir

lol, try telling that one to my boss. Taken a week off to drive my mini to mid west to race for a day....

[Ghost Rider]

Im in California, Your in Nor Cal thought right?

[Unproracer]

unpro, in that vid, it looks like your the only one who isnt unpro
maybe change your name to semi-pro racer? lol

Lol i know! And all i was trying to do was go fast and not get hurt! :dunno:

Dont worry about me, im moving up to a real race league here soon, with much more serious people, who have more experience, money and time. And I'll tie a few rubber chickens on the bike for good measure...

Im in California, Your in Nor Cal thought right?

Yea, near SF area. Few tracks but only one track does league, stockton. I want to sign up for sears point kart track, its sick.
YouTube - Memo Gidley on his shifter kart at Sears Point Raceway
I got 3 friends with more bikes, but only have parking lots to do it w/o spending a lot of money and time on it. And short of mine and my buddies OGM, there all kinda off scale in performance comparison. And sadly there all motard guys, so im the odd man out w/ a mid road bike fending off the parking lot from slick equiped dirt bikes. boxing11

[gmphantom09]

hey blitz trying to take a page out of the ducati wheel book. On my rims-the sharp edge of the blade should I paint them black for the yellow rim and the black blades yellow what do you think abit much?

thanks

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

i think it would be hard to tape that off
maybe Vaseline, but i never used it

[Unproracer]

Dunlop 92tts otw. Hopefully before track day this weekend.

Polished, shortened, and repositioned the exhaust. The old pipe was really choking the 140 rolleye0010. It picked up a few more pony powers.. Making way for some real suspension in the rear.

Somehow i severed a factory weld on the chain side near the swing arm... can't imaging what im gonna break with extra traction and more hp speechless33... thinking_smile , i think building my own frame is starting to become a option if this one can't stand the stress...

[X7rocks]

reminds me of this crf150s exhuast i saw at sandy hook had a unigue sound compared to the rest of it....any sound clips?

[Supercharged]

dude, right on unpro....rocking the drag exhaust just like your homie supercharged over here

where do you buy those bands around the can, i need some of those to mount my drag exhaust up...good job homes

[cutlasskel]

The "GP" exhaust I am finishing up is sorta close to that. Exits on the left just behind the plastics. The bike came with an FMF can on it, so that's all that survived from the original setup.

[Unproracer]

where do you buy those bands around the can, i need some of those to mount my drag exhaust up...good job homes

The clamps just a automotive hose clamp w/ a shaped 22 gauge piece of steel.

reminds me of this crf150s exhuast i saw at sandy hook had a unigue sound compared to the rest of it....any sound clips?

Yea, its definitely... unique sounding. Throaty thinking_smilie . Give me a day ill try to get a clip for ya, its at the shop right now.

The "GP" exhaust I am finishing up is sorta close to that. Exits on the left just behind the plastics. The bike came with an FMF can on it, so that's all that survived from the original setup.

Yea, thank the mid bike gods i don't have the belly plastics, id never fit. That was a X1 pipe w/ the expansion camber, but i couldn't find any theory to backup having a expansion camber on a four stroke, so i shortened it.

[Unproracer]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[Supercharged]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aV2l_D5CpA)

link is bad bro

[X7rocks]

link is working for me sounds great!!! turn your idle down though unless its the irk you might have that makes it....yeah

[FiveStarSky]

sorry hate to be a dumb quetion asker, is that x7 front with a 18 tail and tank on an 18 frame?

[Unproracer]

sorry hate to be a dumb quetion asker, is that x7 front with a 18 tail and tank on an 18 frame?

x7 body panels, tank, x18 rear fairing,

[MotorHeadMike]

LOVE this bike! Its definitely one of many that has inspired me. What is the tubing you used to weld in for the frame supports? Just regular 1/2 steel tubing? Pardon my ignorance on metal .bluelaugh