The Addiction Continues

[The Nutty Professor]

The addiction continues...I started this saga with the X22 and I wanted to make that bike badder than bad. I went through many parts and late nights crafting solutions only to find out in the end even if you can polish a turd (Mythbusters proved you can) it’s still a turd. Is the X22 all that bad? No but as a track bike it just ain’t got the mojo. So Swheels felt so bad hahaha he decided to help this senile old man out of the pit I’d put myself into. Thanks bro more than you know.

The box got here and it lasted about 3 minutes before the box was in the trash and the frame was on the bench. Damn that kick stand bracket is FRINGING HUGE! Guess how long it stayed on? Then I started measuring and I can’t decide if I want to keep the down tubes off the steering neck or cut them and re-weld them on the fairing bracket bars. I’m pretty sure they don’t support the frame at the steering neck but maybe the stabilize the motor mount area? dunno

It’s the little details that shock me about things. When I pulled the triples off and looked at the bearing races I was down right floored. They are very well made and extremely smooth. The triples I have for my USD’s will slide right in and I can use the top bearing race bolt with no problem. Yeah boooyyy! I can also visibly see the additional rake.

The mounting point for the top part of the shock needs a little more welding but that’s no big deal. I can leave it or do it for piece of mind. The metal used in this frame is far better and thicker than the metal in the X22.

And I can see none of the X22 plastic even comes close to fitting.

[The Nutty Professor]

Last couple before it gets serious.

[swheels]

I think with a little persuasion and so cutting i think the x22 fairings will fit.After all there was a guy that put x7 fairings on an x15 chassis.The x7 fairings are the narrowest of the bunch.

Blitz x15 didn't have a cradle,well not a full one and it held up fine Under some extreme conditions.thumbsup2

Glad to see it made it to ya with nothing bent.thumbsup2

Well time for me to hit the hay and catch some ZZZZZZZZ.Rise and shine at 2:00am.

[rene13]

Is this a seperate project or are you just moving everything over to this frame?

[Unproracer]

Blitz x15 didn't have a cradle,well not a full one and it held up fine Under some extreme conditions.thumbsup2


I dont know if that makes it a good idea.. Id keep em if you can. The motor mount points are too close together near the middle of the bike IMO to support the flex that comes from the head tube and fork assembly to the rest of the frame... Specially breaking hard into turns. Check out that Ebook man on frame design and motor design. Many non intuitive forces apply..thinking_smilie
Looks like its turning out to be a very nice project. I Like that triple clamp, i was kinda distracted by the pics, did you say those are stock on that bike? IF so, could you tell me the ID and length of the head tube??

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

that frame is close to mine, but the motor mount area is way different
if mine has some undesired flex, ive learned to deal with it as normal

[The Nutty Professor]

Is this a seperate project or are you just moving everything over to this frame?

No Rene for now that chapter is done. Pro I tend to agree with you. Cutting them out would be easy and I already knew what and where but ask anybody I never do easy. Well almost never. I have also planned out the cut and re-weld so I'm going with that first. Which ever I end up with it has to be done the YX ain't fittin' in there otherwise I measured it ten ways and wave_finger it ain't fittin'. Also I'll measure what you asked as soon as I get the chance.

[The Nutty Professor]

I just couldn't leave it alone and I went with the "If it don't work I can always cut more" theory. And the paint is temporary. It covers the places that I had to cut off tabs and where the paint burned off from welding.

[rene13]

I just couldn't leave it alone and I went with the "If it don't work I can always cut more" theory. And the paint is temporary. It covers the places that I had to cut off tabs and where the paint burned off from welding.

Now that looks sturdier IMO

[The Nutty Professor]

What I need to do next is re-enforce the top shock mount tabs a little then put the frame on a flat level surface to see how straight the frame is?

[dna316]

nice, man i wish i had more workspace.

[The Nutty Professor]

After I finish my little shed for the backyard I'll have a ton more space...but that might take a while I think I broke my hand at work today. They did xrays and said they don't think it's broke but the swelling might hide the break. Well I messed myself up a lot...it feels broken/cracked. dunno

[rene13]

After I finish my little shed for the backyard I'll have a ton more space...but that might take a while I think I broke my hand at work today. They did xrays and said they don't think it's broke but the swelling might hide the break. Well I messed myself up a lot...it feels broken/cracked. dunno

Sounds like hairline Fx. How much movement do you have? I pinched nerve can also cause an injury like that.

[dna316]

Yea rene pinched nerve can do all of the abouve, hurts like hell and causes swelling. Hey nutt im sorry to hear that. Ice it up and imobilize it, and i hope your up and running real soon.

[The Nutty Professor]

Sounds like hairline Fx. How much movement do you have? I pinched nerve can also cause an injury like that.

I can type bluelaugh and I can almost close my hand. Bend it in the wrong direction or bump it and I go cross-eyed speechless33

[swheels]

Dam bro you gotta stop punching inanimate objects.WOOOSAAAA WOOOOSSAAAAAA.

[Shooter]

Gout does the same thing.
What the heck did you do at work to screw your hand up Nutt? ........ Slam your hand in the door or wrestle some heavy goof to the ground?

[dna316]

Dam bro you gotta stop punching inanimate objects.WOOOSAAAA WOOOOSSAAAAAA.

lmao, remember your pressure points.

[Niusiic[latvia]]

what a mess on your deskwave_finger

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

elbows are way more effective, if you can get in close
or were you trying to carry more than 3 donuts at one time? moon1

[The Nutty Professor]

A fist to the back of someone's head is a no-no but asphalt will stun them when their heads bounces off it banghead Yeah Nui I need a serious cleanup session in the work area. Believe it or not it was worse bluelaugh

[The Nutty Professor]

elbows are way more effective, if you can get in close
or were you trying to carry more than 3 donuts at one time? moon1

Now I can't carry dounts...fingers too fat crazy_smilie moon1

[The Nutty Professor]

Well I put the 3 valve in there to start mocking up a least a few parts. Dumb move hand got stuck under the motor because it was to fat. My hand not the motor hahaha After looking around boy it gets better and better. After moving the cradle there's tons O' room for the YX. I might even be able to rotate the carb forward like Blitz did not sure yet. It doesn't have as much junk in the trunk though. The rear is a lot narrower than the X22. I looked at a dual pipe(s) setup maybe but ain't gonna fit at least like I want using the pipes I have.

[125ccCrazy]

After moving the cradle there's tons O' room for the YX. I might even be able to rotate the carb forward like Blitz did not sure yet.


Nutty,

facing the carb forward on the yx150 is not an option if using the stock intake manifold due to the wierd angle that the intake port is on the head, if you use the stock intake facing forward the carb will be on an approx 45 degree angle... A custom intake will have to be made to put the carb facing forward.. A rotator plate will work without severely changing the angle the carb if you keep the carb pointed towards the rear..

On my X12 I had to build my own intake so I could face the carb straight back as the stock intake put the carb right against the frame plus I'm running a spigot mount 28mm so I had to have an intake that I could bolt the rubber carb boot to.... I also had to cut the top engine mount off and build a new upper mount which I welded to the lower frame bar so the carb and filter would clear.... With the intake I made it's alot straighter shot to the intake valve as it has a slight curve unlike the stock intakes that are almost a 90 degree bend....

The only other options I can think of is have the stock intake angle milled if you want the carb facing forward or if you run a spigot mount carb and then you might be able to twist the carb downwards in the boot to level it out..

( In the pic the back of the bike is setting on a box so the rear is higher making the engine look like it's running downwards)

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

isnt the x12 frame smaller than the 15?
maybe the 15 frame has enough room to fit it forward

Really Officer?? 79 in a 35??? dam i was really hoping for 80!!

[rene13]

Nutty,

facing the carb forward on the yx150 is not an option if using the stock intake manifold due to the wierd angle that the intake port is on the head, if you use the stock intake facing forward the carb will be on an approx 45 degree angle... A custom intake will have to be made to put the carb facing forward.. A rotator plate will work without severely changing the angle the carb if you keep the carb pointed towards the rear..

On my X12 I had to build my own intake so I could face the carb straight back as the stock intake put the carb right against the frame plus I'm running a spigot mount 28mm so I had to have an intake that I could bolt the rubber carb boot to.... I also had to cut the top engine mount off and build a new upper mount which I welded to the lower frame bar so the carb and filter would clear.... With the intake I made it's alot straighter shot to the intake valve as it has a slight curve unlike the stock intakes that are almost a 90 degree bend....

The only other options I can think of is have the stock intake angle milled if you want the carb facing forward or if you run a spigot mount carb and then you might be able to twist the carb downwards in the boot to level it out..

( In the pic the back of the bike is setting on a box so the rear is higher making the engine look like it's running downwards)

Hey 125 I have one of these rotating manifoldshttp://midbikenation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1203&d=1202441909

[125ccCrazy]

isnt the x12 frame smaller than the 15?
maybe the 15 frame has enough room to fit it forward

Really Officer?? 79 in a 35??? dam i was really hoping for 80!!

It's not the frame thats the problem as far as facing the carb forward on the yx150, it's the angle that the intake port is on, with the stock intake turned 180 degrees it points the carb up on a severe angle... In my case with the x12 the problem was the frame is too narrow so the carb hit the frame as the stock intake points the carb off to the side and I needed it straight back so I just built my own intake to fit the frame....

Hey 125 I have one of these rotating manifolds http://midbikenation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1203&d=1202441909Rene, will a 26-28mm fit that intake?? whats the bore on it??

[rene13]

It's not the frame thats the problem as far as facing the carb forward on the yx150, it's the angle that the intake port is on, with the stock intake turned 180 degrees it points the carb up on a severe angle... In my case with the x12 the problem was the frame is too narrow so the carb hit the frame as the stock intake points the carb off to the side and I needed it straight back so I just built my own intake to fit the frame....

Rene, will a 26-28mm fit that intake?? whats the bore on it??

I got it from akunar, I 'm not sure, but I will check.

[rene13]

I got it from akunar, I 'm not sure, but I will check.

Got the info for you
POLISHED 360 DEGREE MANIFOLDS
30mm removable & 34mm Rubber Lip, 23mm Intake
Great for Match Porting
Suits 26/28 Keihin Carby's

[The Nutty Professor]

More photo's to come soon. I've got a few question's and a few things to show and some opinions to get so stay tuned The Nutt Hutch is returning to prime time hahahaha bluelaugh

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

so is this the bike that will go to vir?

[swheels]

so is this the bike that will go to vir?
Yeah Blitz that'll be the one.I personally think it's gonna work better for him and cut down on the setup time.

[The Nutty Professor]

Like The Mad Scientist said this bike will be my weapon of choice. Well Blitz flipping the script on this on ain't so easy look at the photo's and you'll see why. If you look at the first photo you can see that the swingarm pivot is in two pieces unlike Blitz's which is one piece all the way across. In the next two photo's I measured each side and you can see they're not the same length. When you flip the swinger the pivots won't fit in the spaces provided (Nutty-RantWhat is it with me and X-Bikes? Why couldn't it just line up and fit like everybody else?). I would hav to cut one side down and cut spacers for both sides for a even fit! I can do it but should I? If you look at the last photo you can see that I would have to cut about 5mm off the left end to slide it in place then I would have to cut and size a bearing on the right side for it to ride solid. I've already started looking for better replacement bearings. The stock pieces are pipes with rubber in the middle and a tube inside that. I guess greased properly they do a fine job but I have them out so why not look for something better.

I've also decided that boxing in the swingarm will take time and patient and I back need to get her up and running. I can always take it off and do it later. Getting this second bike up so I can learn to ride it is job one. Going to a track and trying to learn to ride a new bike you just put together is not something I want to do again.

Next post the front brakes.

[The Nutty Professor]

If you look at my first photo you can see where I added a spacer to get the adapter pushed out far enough to line up right and the bolts holding the adapter in place have nuts on the back side. Well I fixed those to problems this time around. in the second photo the adapter was cut wide enough not to need a spacer and the adapter was also tapped so the mounting bolts screw directly into it so no nuts are needed on the back side. You might ask "Why the hell didn't he do that the first time!" Well it's a little harder to line up holes and then tap them and make everything fit. Drilling a hole and pushing a bolt through is not as precise and that slop was the reason the brakes where so wishy washy.

If you look at the first side on photo that is the original adapter and it's got a lot of extra metal at the bottom of it that wasn't needed. In the second photo I got rid of about a inch in length from the bottom.

My questions are this should I flip the swingarm or leave it. If I do I'm not going to be the one to weld it. That job will be left up to someone with a lot better skills and knows about Mid's (Ah 125cc I might be employing your services if you're willingPoke12). I really believe the swingarm will work better and have less stress on it flipped, plus I have more reasonable (Meaning less fundage) shock options because they would be shorter. I'm also thinking about having the adapter welded onto the lower leg instead of relying on the two bolts but if I decide to change calipers to something else I've made the job a hell of a lot harder or impossible.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

in that last swingarm pic, the shock mounts dont line up
looks like you got a can of worms

[stuntnx7]

if you tapped the aluminum i hope you heli coiled it

[125ccCrazy]

Nutty,

on my swingarm I took the rubber bushings out, I burnt the rubber out so I ended up with just the metal sleeves, I welded those sleeves in the swingarm and then I bought bronze bushings with shoulders which I pressed into the sleeves.. I drilled my frame and center support to 1/2" and will be using a new 1/2" pivot shaft... The swingarm is nice and tight now, no sway or give...

if you tapped the aluminum i hope you heli coiled it

Why would ya helicoil fresh new threads?? helicoils is for threads that have been stripped out...

[stuntnx7]

helicoils is for threads that have been stripped out...




thats what it will be with aluminum the first time you over tighten just a little bit

[125ccCrazy]

thats what it will be with aluminum the first time you over tighten just a little bit

the bolts dont need to be tightened with a breaker barbluelaugh, a little blue loctite and they will be good....

[The Nutty Professor]

Like 125cc said these don't have to be that tight. Also the bolts are in pretty deep so there's more area for the bolt to grip and spread out the load. I'm also using some very tough aluminum. It's not easy to cut, mill, or drill.

Yeah Blitz and it's a can I really don't want to open banghead sssooo that leaves boxing in the swingarm to re-enforce it in the right places. I think a Pit Bike aluminum swinger might be on the future :dunno:

125cc I think I remember your bronze modifications? Did you write it up? Well anyway I'll look for it. If not how about a run down on where you got the materials and how you put it all together.

[stuntnx7]

the bolts dont need to be tightened with a breaker barbluelaugh, a little blue loctite and they will be good....



you think they wont get hollowed out from braking after a while boxing11

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

naw stunt, i tapped 3 holes on my front wheel for my second rotor and its not even close to loose
were not as aggressive on the parts as you prolly are
maybe if he was doing endos it would wear fast
nutty, your making me antsy, always changing your mind and trying to make a grand prix bike
i dont want to see you miss vir because you cant settle on a design
remember its not for money

[125ccCrazy]

you think they wont get hollowed out from braking after a while boxing11

LOL no, the stock calipers dont wear out, if you ride with the bolts loose they will but once they are tight where they gonna go?? Poke12

[swheels]

in that last swingarm pic, the shock mounts dont line up
looks like you got a can of wormsThe swingarm was flipped in that pic.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

The swingarm was flipped in that pic.

ya, so to get the shock to line up with it flipped, he would have to cut and reweld shock mounts
when i flipped mine it was a mirror and lined up near perfect

[The Nutty Professor]

Naw I won't have to redo the shock mounts just the axle pivot.

[swheels]

ya, so to get the shock to line up with it flipped, he would have to cut and reweld shock mounts
when i flipped mine it was a mirror and lined up near perfectTo cut and relocate the shock mount would be more of a hassel.Than to cut the longer/left side tube down to line up the shock mounts.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

ok i got ya
gl

[125ccCrazy]

125cc I think I remember your bronze modifications? Did you write it up? Well anyway I'll look for it. If not how about a run down on where you got the materials and how you put it all together.

No I didn't do a write up, didnt figure anyone would want to do it...

I did mine because the bushings were sloppy in the swinger, when I pulled the swingarm off the bike the bushings fell out, the tubes on the swingarm were stretched from it moving around for so long by the prior owner(s) that even new bushings wouldn't have worked so I did my thing and made it solid, no rubber to give...

The bushings I purchased locally, I bought 7/8 x 1/2" bushings with a flange.. The bushings fit just a little sloppy, just enough they would spin in the x19 bushing sleeve so I put about a half dozen tiny little tack welds around the inside perimeter of the stock bushing sleeves and then pressed the bronze bushings in, the little tacks act like teeth and bite into softer bronze... No slippy now... Oh yeah I had to weld the stock sleeves in the swinger and then grind them even with the swingarm to allow for the added width of the flanges on the bushings..

[The Nutty Professor]

No I didn't do a write up, didnt figure anyone would want to do it...

I did mine because the bushings were sloppy in the swinger, when I pulled the swingarm off the bike the bushings fell out, the tubes on the swingarm were stretched from it moving around for so long by the prior owner(s) that even new bushings wouldn't have worked so I did my thing and made it solid, no rubber to give...

The bushings I purchased locally, I bought 7/8 x 1/2" bushings with a flange.. The bushings fit just a little sloppy, just enough they would spin in the x19 bushing sleeve so I put about a half dozen tiny little tack welds around the inside perimeter of the stock bushing sleeves and then pressed the bronze bushings in, the little tacks act like teeth and bite into softer bronze... No slippy now... Oh yeah I had to weld the stock sleeves in the swinger and then grind them even with the swingarm to allow for the added width of the flanges on the bushings..

What I like about your modification is that you welded the old bearing shell inside the swingarm bearing sleeve. That area is a little thin on metal in my opinion and a high stress point. The FZR has needle bearings that might work but that means adapting the larger axle bolt...oh looky I have both hahaha Now I have to find the time to sit down and mic everything to see if it will fit without too much work if it does I'll wait.

At least now I have a couple options instead of waiting around for the swingarm to break or slop I might be able to fix it before it happens. :dunno:

[125ccCrazy]

What I like about your modification is that you welded the old bearing shell inside the swingarm bearing sleeve. That area is a little thin on metal in my opinion and a high stress point. The FZR has needle bearings that might work but that means adapting the larger axle bolt...oh looky I have both hahaha Now I have to find the time to sit down and mic everything to see if it will fit without too much work if it does I'll wait.

At least now I have a couple options instead of waiting around for the swingarm to break or slop I might be able to fix it before it happens. :dunno:

Depending on how big of i.d those bearings are they wont work unless you cut the tube out of the frame, the one between the two eng mounts as you can't drill that too much more for a larger pivot bolt.. You may be able to go 9/16 on that but I'd say thats about it...

Bronze bushings work good, they used them on alot of 1:1 swingarms back in the day, some might still use them I dunno, they don't get much wear since the swinger just moves up and down and the pivot shaft doesnt spin in the bushing..

These are what the bushings look like that I used. http://cgi.ebay.com/Bronze-bushings_W0QQitemZ200290539208QQihZ010QQcategoryZ4 2905QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[The Nutty Professor]

nutty, your making me antsy, always changing your mind and trying to make a grand prix bike
i dont want to see you miss vir because you cant settle on a design
remember its not for money

Sorry brother it's just how I get things do I can't help it. Actually on the brakes it's not a design change I'm just getting rid of some pieces that where making it harder to work on the bike faster. Once the new brackets are cut, lined up, and tapped they're done and so is the front end. I'm not doing anymore work there unless I have too. Then onto the rear and the shock and see what I can do about it stacking the spring and causing the swingarm to act as a secondary leaf spring. From what "S" tells me that is probably the reason for the breakage back there and people abusing the crap out of them. Riding a $600 street bike like a $2000 dirt bike is going to cause things to break ah duh!

[The Nutty Professor]

you think they wont get hollowed out from braking after a while boxing11

Stuntn if that was the case why don't the 1:1 bikes have the same problem with all their aluminum front brake systems? I know what you're thinking about and I can explain why it happened. Your aluminum sprocket. That happened not because you didn't tighten it but because the wrong bolts were used. If you have a steel sprocket using a bolt with threads all the way up to the head won't cause a problem but with aluminum it's a major problem. Aluminum sprockets need a bolt that has no thread near the head and that are is slightly larger than the thread area. This gives the aluminum surface maximum area to hold onto and there are no thread teeth to bite into the hole edges. The best way to hold a sprocket onto a wheel is to have permanent studs in the rim and use nuts to hold the sprocket in place. All (I believe I have been known to be wrong....A LOT!) 1:1 use this because it's a stronger hold and the contact surface from bolt to sprocket is flat. Why they don't use that with rotors I haven't figured out yet and I haven't ask or looked up.

[swheels]

Stuntn if that was the case why don't the 1:1 bikes have the same problem with all their aluminum front brake systems? I know what you're thinking about and I can explain why it happened. Your aluminum sprocket. That happened not because you didn't tighten it but because the wrong bolts were used. If you have a steel sprocket using a bolt with threads all the way up to the head won't cause a problem but with aluminum it's a major problem. Aluminum sprockets need a bolt that has no thread near the head and that are is slightly larger than the thread area. This gives the aluminum surface maximum area to hold onto and there are no thread teeth to bite into the hole edges. The best way to hold a sprocket onto a wheel is to have permanent studs in the rim and use nuts to hold the sprocket in place. All (I believe I have been known to be wrong....A LOT!) 1:1 use this because it's a stronger hold and the contact surface from bolt to sprocket is flat. Why they don't use that with rotors I haven't figured out yet and I haven't ask or looked up.Or if his rear wheel was out of alignment enough.Ask me how i know.LOL

[The Nutty Professor]

One side down one to go. It took longer than expected not because it was hard but because I took the time to get it right. Like I said before I was able to drill and tap the adapter eliminating 4 nuts, a spacer, and lock washers.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

looks like it gonna work out good
i would test it with some near-panic stops to make sure that bracket wont flex
its going to be shoved up and forward due to the braking force
sure is bling

[The Nutty Professor]

I know on the force part thumbsup2 My only concern is the lower bolt area, but actually there's a lot of meat there it just doesn't look like it in the photo. On top of that this is some real strong aluminum. It will probably stretch before it breaks. And the black bling is also for a reason. I know I mentioned it before so the OG's will remember but for the new guys. I painted the fork and brake adapter black so if a crack develops I can see it. The silver metal in the crack will show up a lot easier against the black paint and hopefully I'll see it.

[Unproracer]

And the black bling is also for a reason. I know I mentioned it before so the OG's will remember but for the new guys. I painted the fork and brake adapter black so if a crack develops I can see it. The silver metal in the crack will show up a lot easier against the black paint and hopefully I'll see it.

Hah the exact oppisite reason i painted my bike white, so you wouldnt see the cracks and bad body work lol. Looks nice. Whered ya get those brembos? how much did that cost? Whats the model number on the parts? Have you ran em yet? Remeber dont panic, those things look like the formula for some over the handbar action there buddy guy.

Hey man, that rear swing arm looks like a world of bull@#^ to make work....I like ya man...don't do it, lol. BTw, I've already mocked up pitbike swings, there all too long, too narrow, and pivot mounts are way off from most the xbike frames. Reinforcing stock made all the diff for me, try that before making a mess of your frame and swing arm, that you can't undo. FYI in some circles of theroy, making a swing arm stiffer may increase flex in the rest of the frame, creating opposing issues to what your trynig to fix.

Looks good though man, you got a quality inspector on-site or what?

[The Nutty Professor]

Where ya get those Brembo's? how much did that cost? Whats the model number on the parts? Have you ran em yet? Remember don't panic, those things look like the formula for some over the handlebar action there buddy guy.

Yes I used them at Elgin and I had a "I need to stop before that fence" moment. The brake are progressive so no sudden bite. I think the brake compound ain't the best so it's not as :dunno: grippy hahaha! I want to change to a sintered metallic pad but that might be a bit much. As for panic no braggin but I'm too numb to panic. Or is that dumb? Getting shot at does that bluelaugh

Hey man, that rear swing arm looks like a world of bull@#^ to make work....I like ya man...don't do it, lol. BTW, I've already mocked up pitbike swings, there all too long, too narrow, and pivot mounts are way off from most the xbike frames. Reinforcing stock made all the diff for me, try that before making a mess of your frame and swing arm, that you can't undo.

I'm of the opinion that cutting the swingarm isn't in the cards for now. I'll get a second one and try it. And I know about the Pit Bike swingers but modifying them is on the table.


FYI in some circles of theory, making a swing arm stiffer may increase flex in the rest of the frame, creating opposing issues to what your trying to fix.

I totally agree on the swingarm thing and the mount locations. I also hear ya about stiffing the swingarm. I would leave it alone but they're prone to breaking so the re-enforcing I want to do is to stop that I'll just have to deal with the rest as it comes.

[Supercharged]

One side down one to go. It took longer than expected not because it was hard but because I took the time to get it right. Like I said before I was able to drill and tap the adapter eliminating 4 nuts, a spacer, and lock washers.

thinking_smilieif i wasnt mistaken those sprocket bolts arent the stock ones?

[The Nutty Professor]

thinking_smilieif i wasnt mistaken those sprocket bolts arent the stock ones?

No you're not. I don't like pretzels holding my sprockets in place. bluelaugh And it's easier using allen bolts with T-handles tools to get them in and out. I use them any and everywhere.

[dna316]

Thats one of the best uses for black paint i have seen in a while. good thinking.

[The Nutty Professor]

I finished the front dual brake adapters yesterday but was to lazy to post about it. The whole idea was to make the adapters so I used less parts and it went fairly easy except for one screw up. I had to remake the second adapter after I had cut it, drilled, then tapped two holes Nutty-Rant Well that's not completely true either now that I think about it. The first piece I cut was sloppy and...well I'll leave it at that. The second was the ah crap! But the 3rd time was the charm and with the milling vise everything was a lot straighter than my first adapters. I didn't paint it yet so it raw but bling can wait. All I have to do is bleed them and they're completely finished. I wanted to get to the rear end before I started fooling with that.

Of course the rear was a comedy of errors but none of them made me start over. I cut everything oversize so I just had to shave off a little bite at a time until it fit. Then I threw on the longer Noleen shock I used at Elgin and MAN speechless33 it jacked the bike way to high! OK that won't work. Then I realized I had used my smart shock spring retainer on the longer shock and the other one was too small. Damn! I had to remove the spring and the retainer! The spring was a 750lbs spring I had robbed from something and it never seemed to be right and I couldn't use it on my Smart Shock it was to long....AH HA! Come to papa. Now the PB would be good for something. Looking at the spring it was a beefy little thing. Sooo I pulled the shock off old blue and took it apart. Holy Crap! Fatman! That shock was a P.O.S. big time! Once I had the spring off the rod wobbled around inside the housing! No wonder the bike shook like a bowl of jello when it got going. I'll find a cheap-o bike shock or just go with a straight bar on the PB later.

Well after about 45 minutes of trying to get the spring off with all the stuff I have I got pissed off and just cut the spring. I needed the retainer more than the spring and it was really to long for anything other than the long Noleen anyway. Hated to do it but was the spring or my sanity...bye bye springboy. I put the spring on and put it on the bike. Lowered the bike off the stand and BAM! With the shock adapter and the shock she appears to be riding right. With the rake on the front end of the bike and I can raise the rear more and still be good to go. The Smart Shock isn't running on the battery yet but that's the next test. I pretty sure I need a even stiffer spring but next time I'm going to buy the right size and the weight rating I want.

I want to box in the swinger so I started stripping the paint off to weld her but I think I'll get another swingarm and weld her up or have someone do it then add it. I'll probably flip it at the same time. So I'll strip this one the rest of the way and repaint it. I before that I need to made a pair of chain adjusters. Hopefully that will be straight forward. They're just blocks with holes in them and I have the aluminum stock to get it done. Now cutting it is another story. Aluminum is a bee-ach to cut. It might not seem like it but it is. It likes to get into the teeth of cutting tools and coat cutting wheels. Before anyone jumps in I know I need specific cutting wheels for aluminum but I have yet to se them in Harbor Freight or anywhere else for that matter everything seems geared toward cutting steel. Oh well the beat goes on.

[swheels]

A couple of pairs of vise grips.Sometimes if not all the time,if you get the right pair of vise grips.You can squeeze them in between the coils.If you the place the vise grips on opposite sides.You can compress the spring enough to remove it or do what ever you need to do.thumbsup2
The custom rear shock i made.I cut the shock down so much much i had to use this method to get the 1500lbs spring on.

[GaRsNoW]

Wow, that looks sick. Nice job

[The Nutty Professor]

Yeah "S" I remember you telling me that and I have yet to get the right type vise-grips.

[TeRRoR]

where do you get those small brembo calipers?

[The Nutty Professor]

where do you get those small brembo calipers?


Akunar, but I don't think they sell them any more. Here's the one they still sell but it doesn't tell you the size.

http://www.akunar.com/MOTORCYCLE_BRAKES.htm

The one I'm talking about is on the top.

[The Nutty Professor]

Well finished my axle/chain adjuster for the swingarm. It was or appears like it was easy. What I mean by appears is I haven't completely fitted them yet. The swingarms in a bag with stripper on it. They slide into place but the final assessment will be putting the swingarm, wheel, axle, and spacers on. I didn't have the original adjusters but I think they were a lot thinner so the axle may be to short now dunno yet. Also in the picture are the adjusters from the X22. They were so much harder to adjust than what I just made and how the X15 systems is put together.

[The Nutty Professor]

Well I did a quick test fit of the axle and chain adjusters and it's close on size for the axle but it just might work. I also finished up the swingarm. A word of very good advice. If you're looking at stripping paint from any of these bike there is only one paint stripper that can get it done fast and right the first time. That Mar-Hyde paint stripper. I paid good money for a lot of other strippers and they sucked. The Mar-Hyde was cheaper and it took the paint off with less product. I had used it before but when I went looking this time I couldn't find it at Wal-Mart so I bought what they had. Big mistake. I'm already buying more to have ready when I need it so I don't have to go looking again.

[FiveStarSky]

would paint remover be safe to strip the paint off plastics? or would it be better to sand by hand (trying to get to the bare plastic)

[X7rocks]

i would just sand until its smooth sanding to bare plastic wouldnt be to good

[The Nutty Professor]

Well the swingarms done and on the bike along with the shock and it's extender/adapter. Man is this bike longer than the X22 speechless33 The chain I was using comes nowhere close to fitting. Check out the copper wire I used to hold the chain together. I wanted to see if the chain and sprockets would l line up with the spacers I had or was I going to have to cut more. Eyeballin' it it looks like it pretty straight.

[The Nutty Professor]

My next ah project is going to be mounting and plumbing the oil cooler. I don't like the location but it's going to have to do for now.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

thats lookin pretty good
is the swingarm pivot also the lower motor mount?
if it is then my bike is about 1'' longer than yours:wave::word::phat:
u smiley ho

[The Nutty Professor]

thats lookin pretty good
is the swingarm pivot also the lower motor mount?
if it is then my bike is about 1'' longer than yours:wave::word::phat:
u smiley ho

No it's not part of the motor mount.
Yeah I love me some smilies.

[The Nutty Professor]

I slapped the X22 bodywork on the frame today just to get some idea of what it will look like. I can make it fit of course, but I like the X12 body so I'm working on that angle and leaving the X22 for the frame it was meant for. And I got the oil cooler mounted now I need to plumb it. Anybody got any ideas for routing the lines on a X15? I guess I can't put it off any longer I have to weld up the pipe next. I've got the pieces cut but I still can't decide on exactly what I want to do at the back end. No side pipes for me I bang them up too much when I crash.

[FiveStarSky]

looks pretty good to me,

as for your pipe, you can do what i'm in the process of doing, using the stock 15 pipe and cutting off the bit where it exits the frame and bends up towards the tail, and weld on your can there, make a mounting bracket. takes out the bends in the tail and its still under the frame so it should be okay in a crash. i'm using an used ktm can, i might try to see if i can get another one and running dual cans, (like a "Y" over the rear tire, but the ktm shop guys dont let those go cheap

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

you got a x12 body yet?

[The Nutty Professor]

you got a x12 body yet?

No not yet, working on the other stuff first. As for using the OEM X15 exhaust I don't have that pipe and if I did I don't think it would work with the YX150 I'm running.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

well i hear they are getting scarce, so you better get one soon
for the pipe your in total custom land

[The Nutty Professor]

well i hear they are getting scarce, so you better get one soon
for the pipe your in total custom land

Yep dumb arse here passed on two frames and 3 sets of bodywork about a year and a half ago banghead $80 and a four hour drive. All on Ebay banghead Nutty-Rant banghead

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

id like to see the x6 body on a 18

[The Nutty Professor]

Well I over did it yet again. I didn't like the look of the pipes I made for TN they just did set right. SSSooooo I butchered a CBR600rr pipe to see what I could make out of it. I'm glad I did. Even if the pipe doesn't cut it I finally got my Mojo right with my flux core welder :wave: The only banghead moment was after I finished the pipe and wanted to start on the header. I needed a long piece of pipe from the can to the front section of the header. I don't have it Nutty-Rant I want it to be thin stainless steel like the can but if I can't find it I'll make do with something else. The reason I want it is because with the last pipe I used hat wrap and it rusted, which I expected, but it did it a lot faster than I've ever seen it. To me that means the YX is putting out a crap load of heat. I still think wrapping the header is a good idea to keep heat away from everything else. A stainless system will help tons with that problem.

[The Nutty Professor]

Here's the last one. I still have to clean the pipe up it has the splatter and smoke from the flux core on it but it should look alright.

[swheels]

She's coming along nice mane.Oh by the way the pitbikes have some axle adjusters i think you guys with the x15 style swingarm would like.There just like the ones you made Nutty.

[x18nfs]

nutty, that pipe looks bad ass.....But dont you think the huge header pipe will be overkill?

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

oh ya yer on the pipe now!
looks like it fits there
so when ya gonna ride it? between you and shooter i dont know who is worse

[Ghost Rider]

Very Nice NuttyP...I wanted to do the same thing with the CBR stocker muffler, but i was worried about the weight so i got over it. I can wait to hear it though.

Dang we really got a diverse group of midbike exhausts on this forum...seems like veryones got something differentthumbsup2

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

its the bikes, they are all different
were like early 90's honda tuners

[Ghost Rider]

PS X18nfs..i think that 5th pic shows the stock cbr pipe he chopped. Thats the stock header off of a CBR and he aint using it. Correct me if im wrong NuttyP

[x18nfs]

ooo...i seethumbsup2

Great job nutty!

[SoPackedCustoms]

flux cored welding suck im glad i have a mig lol

[dragonkeep2000]

hey nutty i still have the x12 seat/tank faring.......sorry i do not have the rest of them though.............i may have to start a long term build post myself when i start my x8s and f18 hornet rebuilds........i hope they come out half as nice as yours,shooters , and 125crazy's bike builds.....keep up the fantastic work everone..what i have learned here has helped me make a lot of different combinations with bikes and farings..........thanx

[The Nutty Professor]

so when ya gonna ride it? between you and shooter i dont know who is worse

I'm easily the worst one hahaha Shooter is building a master piece I'm trying to over build a race bike rolleye0010

X18nfs:nutty, that pipe looks bad ass.....But dont you think the huge header pipe will be overkill? Actually dude the header is a lot lighter than you think. It's the pipe itself that so damn heavy. After cutting it down I was going to add some of it back but it wasn't angled right and was hitting the frame so I ditched that idea.

dragonkeep2000:hey nutty i still have the x12 seat/tank faring.......sorry i do not have the rest of them thoughI have, or will soon, a X12 seat and tank cover that should do the business. If not I might be hitting you back for the sweet piece you have. If fundage allows I might buy it "just because".

SoPackedCustoms:flux cored welding suck im glad i have a mig lol It not the flux core itself being a problem because it's less hassle. No bottles and all that. But the trade off is the splatter which you frigging can't control. They say the heat range isn't right if it has excessive splatter but I don't see it changing no matter what I do Nutty-Rant

[rene13]

Do you use that anti-splatter spray?

[SoPackedCustoms]

Do you use that anti-splatter spray?

its not a spray its more of a dip like vasaline i use it all the time

[The Nutty Professor]

Do you use that anti-splatter spray?

Say what speechless33 There's a product to help with this? If so let me in on it. I haven't seen it and to tell the truth I never thought to look.

[SoPackedCustoms]

This is what i use

[The Nutty Professor]

Thanks a ton guys that put me on track and I found something at tractor supply.

[The Nutty Professor]

Well I already did a short couple photo's of the oil cooler mounted but someone asked for more detail. I'm not sure if this enough but here ya go.

1. The oil cooler on the YX I have came with a banjo bolt and fitting on one side. Why I don't know? Why not a fitting on each side or the standard fitting on both sides? Well I found the banjo bolt fitted hose to be too short to work almost everywhere I wanted to put it or it would fit. I thought about finding a brass "L" fitting and screwing it in there to get the angle and then I could use a standard hose on both sides and I could use the length I need. Then I had a "Duh" moment. I just cut the clamped part of the hose off the banjo fitting and I could use that now I don't have to search for a fitting (see photo 1). In the first photo you can also see the bracket I made from a piece of aluminum I cut and bent then drilled the two holes needed (Photo 2).

2. If you look down between the frame rails you will see a little metal tab with a bolt hole (Photo 3). What's supposed to go there I have no idea but it's convenent to bolt the oil cooler and bracket too. I think I might duct some air toward it but I'll wait on that it might not be necessary.

3. Here's the oil cooler in place photo shot from the top (Photo 4).

4. In the last photo you see the oil cooler from the side. The black hose under it is the type hose I'm going to use for the system. For protection of the hose I'm going to add a nylon or braided stainless steel cover later. To keep the hose as far from the header as I can the hoses are going to be routed toward the leftside of the motor and around back to their openings. It's a long run but I think the oil pump can handle it. My last concern is the hot air blowing through the cooler and straight over the carb. That air is without doubt going in the intake. I will make a baffle to redirect the hot air away from there probably down and to the right.

[The Nutty Professor]

One last photo.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

lookin 'cool' np
that bolt hole is where the horn went

[The Nutty Professor]

Never did like motorcycle horns none of them would scare even a rabbit.

The CBR pipe hasn't been easy going. I don't have the right type materials to complete it so I'm putting it on the sidelines for now. It's a quality stainless steel and I'll wait until I find more to finish it or chalk it up to learning and junk it :dunno: So it was drop back and punt and it was easier to finish and I had everything in the garage. Again I chopped up a couple old OEM 1:1 exhaust headers to make this pipe. I was able to go through with only one mistake which I broke apart amd rewelded. I really have to stop guessing and lay stuff out and not be in such a hurry.

I grabbed one of the old pipes off the shelf and finished it off. I don't like the pipe bracket but it will do for now. I can see I'm going to have to move the seat back about 2-3 inches but I'll wait for some rearsets I'm going to get before I make that finally move.

[FS211]

The exhaust definitely looks as if it will sound similar to a lion roar.
looks real nice good job thumbsup2 :clap: bows_smilie rock2

[The Nutty Professor]

Yeah I think Swheels was trying to tell me that at Elgin but I couldn't hear it on the track. This one should breath even more so I wonder what she'll sound like now?

[Shooter]

I like what you did with the pipe.
Don't know what it's like in the performance dept. but as far as looks go it looks pretty clean thumbsup2

[The Nutty Professor]

Today wasn’t supposed to be as crazy as it got. I planned to finish up a few things and re-work a few more. I planned to put the oil cooler back on and run the lines. I didn’t think I had a long enough hose for one part but I found out it was just long enough and had a little slack...perfect.

Then things went south. I planned to take both chains I have and put them together so I would get some ride time and test a few parts at moderate speed. Nothing that would really stress the chain. I found out real quick the difference between the OEM chain and the D.I.D I was running. The OEM rollers and pins are smaller. I already knew it was inferior grade metal but to see the other weak points tells me to tell everyone change that chain as soon as you can. So I had to abandon that one and I was pissed and went a little crazy.

I have been pounding my head against the wall since I tried the X22 bodywork on the frame and could see it would fit but I didn’t have the X15 gas tank which appears to be totally different. Why does this matter? I have to run a battery to run my tach and a few other things I may add later. There in lies the problem. The X15 battery tray is under the gas tank cover. The X22 gas tank is longer so it covers part of the tray. No amount of moving or turning was going to make it fit. I thought about cutting the tray and dropping it down and re–welding it. Aaa no. The oil cooler was in that spot now and I wasn’t moving it. So I walked around the bike a couple times and finally decided to go the way of some of the true race bikes. Hang it out front. The way it’s mounted now is not the best but it’s a start. A real mount should be attached to the frame but I was in a mad frenzy and this would do. I had to fab a tray and the bracket to bolt it in place. I cut up parts of the shipping crate the X22 came in to do it. All I needed was angled steel and there it was. I’ve almost throw that thing out twice and changed my mind. And I continue to cut it up and make things with it. Then I had to figure how to bolt the brake splitter? An hour later and I was done.

Then on to wiring up everything. I moved all the wiring to one side of the bike this time. I’m not sure why I didn’t do that last time with the X22 but I think it had something to do with the coil and spark plug wire dunno? Also moving the battery made for the wiring change too. I still need a strap system for the battery tray but that’s cake compared to what I got done.

Ok next. Putting that much weight over the front I knew I needed to offset it so it was time to move the tailsection. Remember that crate? Here we go again. The metal strap they bolted over the rear wheel came in handy this time. I took that little piece of arched metal and cut it to fit under the tailsection. Now the tailsection is moved back about 2-3 inches and I think I’ll make the bracket moveable so I can move it around if I have too. Of course it will only be a couple inches but that let’s me find the best position. I still wasn’t done because I couldn’t find a way to make the bracket adjustable, but after I was left in the garage and was in the shower...Eureka! I’ll show you guys when it’s done.

Now I wonder if I really need a X15 gas tank cover? It would be easier to deal with and no fabrication of spacers which is what it’s going to take to make the X22 cover work? The tanks look the same but I guess there’s a height difference?

I wanted to keep going but I think the welder, angle grinder, and saws-all needed a break hahaha

[FS211]

thats pretty practical, its coming along nicely, btw where did you get those inverted front end? is it to a pitbike?

thanks

[The Nutty Professor]

From Fancy Scooter. No they're not for a Pit Bike but a Ducati Monster Mid Bike replica.

[The Nutty Professor]

I only made one bracket and was pretty satisfied but it will take two to work right. It's simple to make and it's a pressure and friction fit. This clamp will also raise the seat for the taller rider's. I'm not going to use it until I make the second piece but the two photo's should give you the general idea.

[FS211]

pretty nifty idea there Nutt!
i might look into stealing that idea and applying it to my bike lol

[The Nutty Professor]

Steal away. The Nutt loves it :yup:

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

is that out of necessity?
looks like the seat pad is long, and its either trim the pad or move the tail back

[The Nutty Professor]

is that out of necessity?
looks like the seat pad is long, and its either trim the pad or move the tail back

Yeah Blitz I got the knee thing going on and it just got worse. Once I'm riding I really don't feel it but last time at Elgin I had a hard time moving to the right to hit a right turn like I should. I was constantly missing the apex on right handers. With more room I'll be able to slide over instead of pushing over with the leg. The clamp let's me move the seat back and it raises it, although the raising part was by accident. The seat pad isn't as long as it looks. It's designed to wrap around the rear of the gas tank cover and it pads the family jewels just that extra bite bows_smilie It will also coverup any fiberglass work I do to bridge the gap when I move the seat around and find the right position.

[The Nutty Professor]

Well I tried mounting the slicks on my own and it wasn't happenin'. I wore myself out just getting the stock tire off. Then when I tried installing the new tire I realized I didn't want to destroy the bead. I have access to a tire mounting machine so I'll wait to do it there.

I cut out the battery tray is wasn't going to serve any good purpose so I cut it out for more room. I also started re-enforcing the gas tank cover with kevlar. I mounted it higher to clear the frame and make it fit and in doing that I made it useable as a lever to push against with my leg in a turn. I'm going to need that with the bum right leg. But I couldn't rely on the cheesy plastic to hold up for long so fiberglassing was in order.

I also test fit the chain but it's still too long. I want to mount the slick and put the tire on before I make the finally adjustment. And the seat has been moved back using my slapped together seat clamps and they do work well if I do say so myself thumbsup2 The radial front master cylinder is giving me fits trying to fit it so I might ditch it for a conventional master. I works great but packaging is awful.

[The Nutty Professor]

Last couple from a long weekend of work.

[The Nutty Professor]

I finished glassing the inside of the tank and I'm not really satisfied but I went down and dirty because it's a race bike not a show bike. I just need it to work not look all pretty. I really need a sharp pair of scissors to cut the kevlar easily. Cutting it in strips would make it easier to use. Large sheet of kevlar just don't like bending around corners.

I also got my XMR slicks in and mounted and I have to give a shout to Doug and the boys they sell a grade-a piece of kit with those Vee-Rubber tires. I had both front and rear balanced and I made a huge mistake with the all metal valve stems I wanted to use. Those suckers are heavy :shocked: So I just used one on the rear and went for a cheaper rubber stem on the front. On the rear it took a massive amount of weight to get it close to right. The front was a totally different story. Well the slicks are on the rims :wave: and it was dead simple with a tire machine. They're so soft they popped on. After a ton of wiggling and working and tightening and loosening I had to pull off the longer Noleen shock and put on the Noleen Smart Shock. It lowers the ride height so I'll have to find more ride height somewhere else.

I want to make a kevlar fuel cell but I'll wait until I've got the bike out and rolling then I'll think about it.

[FS211]

Lookin Real GOOD!!!!!
coming along nicely, good job so far!

by the way pm me a link to hat tire changer you use, do you have to remove the wheel bearings to do it?

[The Nutty Professor]

Lookin Real GOOD!!!!!
coming along nicely, good job so far!

by the way pm me a link to hat tire changer you use, do you have to remove the wheel bearings to do it?

hahaha Sorry that's a no go on the tire changer. Not because I'm holding out but because I have access to a tire changer in my buddies motorcycle shop. It's a gem. No you don't have to remove the bearings as a matter of fact I left the rotors and sprocket on the wheels.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

lookin good nut, you got the only bulletproof gas tank
is that the gearing your gonna run? i think a smaller rear sprocket would do better
if you look in my thread you can see the bracket i made to get a little more ride height
this is the tire machine i used, its great, look in any good auto shop

[The Nutty Professor]

No I want to go down a minimum of 2 teeth on the rear. 4 teeth I think is better so I might end up with 4 choices 37 stock, 35, 33, 31 or 29 dunno on that one. Those number's are subject to change depending on what piece of false advertising I fall for rolleye0010

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

well i run the 28 rear and i use a 14 front so i still got alot of snatch off the grab, but i dont have to shift alot
i guess its just preference but consider your motor will be making alot of power and you may need to 'tame' it down to stay on it

[The Nutty Professor]

I’m wondering if anyone even cares about this little modification? If so I can tell you it’s easy to do. It took about and hour. I first had to find a banjo bolt that was fairly short. Then I had to find the right drill bit and the right tap all of which I had. First I drilled out the old thread and made the hole big enough to use the tap. I then tapped the hole and did a couple test fits. Now for the hard part...cleaning. I used mineral spirits, soap, water, and lots and lots of compressed air.

After fitting the master cylinder I can feel that it not big enough for the dual system I have but it works. If I was using just one caliper it would be fine. What I have to do is find a master that’s a little bigger and I’m good. But I’m going to work with this and see if I can make it better.

One thing I forgot to mention. You have to have a master cylinder that had the original hole drilled pretty close to the center of the banjo bolt hole. If it's to far to the side trying to tap it ain't gonna work. The drill and tap process will break through the side wall making the master cylinder useless.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

lol you did that just to r&r the master you had?
i was wondering if that separate res would get in the way
if you can get an x6 master, that would be better than the stock x18 one
i have a few lefties you could flip it upside down and use it on the right side

[The Nutty Professor]

lol you did that just to r&r the master you had?
i was wondering if that separate res would get in the way
if you can get an x6 master, that would be better than the stock x18 one
i have a few lefties you could flip it upside down and use it on the right side

Actually it wasn't the res it was the way the piston actuator points back to front instead of side to side. It was bumping the fairing and not giving me enough angle with the clipons. On top of that the levers were to long and when the bike tipped over in the garage the tip snapped off Nutty-Rant Actually it fit better with the shorter lever but damn they're expensive to be breaking that easy. I'll go back just because the quality is better but for now the DIY master is going to be the go-to.

Also with this I can use a standard double banjo bolt and run both lines right off the master. If I can't get more pressure I'm going to try that next.

[The Nutty Professor]

I'm also looking for a front fender. Making the rest of the bodywork fit has been fairly simple. Of course a snag here and there but nothing I couldn't work out a solution too quickly. Fitting may not have been quick but knowing how was. That is until I bumped heads with the front fender. I've been monkeying around with both the X22 and X18 front fenders I have. I got the X18 close but it would bind. The X22 ain't even close. The problem of course are the USD's. All the X fenders are designed for conventional forks. The fender designed for the bike I got the forks from isn't made anymore...well if it is I can't find it. I'm open to any ideas. Why do I even need fender? For one I believe if they weren't necessary they wouldn't be on race bikes. If memory serves it keeps road debris off the bike and with the soft slicks I can see all kinds of stuff being picked up and flung around. Got a idea throw it down :dunno:

[rene13]

I'm also looking for a front fender. Making the rest of the bodywork fit has been fairly simple. Of course a snag here and there but nothing I couldn't work out a solution too quickly. Fitting may not have been quick but knowing how was. That is until I bumped heads with the front fender. I've been monkeying around with both the X22 and X18 front fenders I have. I got the X18 close but it would bind. The X22 ain't even close. The problem of course are the USD's. All the X fenders are designed for conventional forks. The fender designed for the bike I got the forks from isn't made anymore...well if it is I can't find it. I'm open to any ideas. Why do I even need fender? For one I believe if they weren't necessary they wouldn't be on race bikes. If memory serves it keeps road debris off the bike and with the soft slicks I can see all kinds of stuff being picked up and flung around. Got a idea throw it down :dunno:

Here is the perfect opportunity to make a CF piece. Looks good and lighter.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

if ya cant hack it....make a bracket bluelaugh

[The Nutty Professor]

if ya cant hack it....make a bracket bluelaugh

ROTFLMAO moon1moon1 Dude that one made my side hurt hahahahaha And yes I have to go here:

"If the fairings make you feel like a putz' Just weld your Nutz"

Blitz my man you make me laugh hard and not many people can do that :clap:

[The Nutty Professor]

Here is the perfect opportunity to make a CF piece. Looks good and lighter.


Easy for you to say haha take a close look at the fiberglass work I did inside the tank. Nasty Nasty Nasty. I'm not going to ruin perfectly good fiberglass with my ham-fisted efforts now. I'm going to keep playing with the cheap stuff until I can get it to work right then try that. I'm going for easy to make side fairing using Swheels method then I might tackle a fender.

[The Nutty Professor]

In pure Nutt fashion I had to make mounting the rearsets a little harder then it had to be, but in the end I think it's better than the way the OEM's are done. Mounting them in the original location was not a option. The bolt holes are spread farther apart on the new pieces. The Yosh peg locations are a good 3-4 inches higher easy. So I busted out a couple pieces of aluminum that I had used for the dual brake mount and used those. I drilled and tapped them so no bolts involved. I don't know about the X18 but with the X15 the shift linkage arm is a little too short thinking_smilie or at least that's the way it appears to me? In the picture it shows the difference but I want it running and shifting before I make a decision on way or the other. I already have a few fix ideas if I need them.

[The Nutty Professor]

if ya cant hack it....make a bracket bluelaugh

Well I stopped laughing and took your advice. I made a bracket and it fits fine. I went ole school on the fender paint? While I was at it I hit the rear tail to fix some pieces that had popped out. I then fixed the shifter and it works a lot better now. The lean angle on this thing is going to be off the chain. Thanks to Rene and his rearsets I have a ton of ground clearance.

[FiveStarSky]

The lean angle on this thing is going to be off the chain. Thanks to Rene and his rearsets I have a ton of ground clearance.

Maybe you can get that knee down now rock2

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

ya that looks good :clap:
that double 55 on the front messes with me tho
and you reminded me that i need to get some skate wheels/sliders

[The Nutty Professor]

ya that looks good :clap:
that double 55 on the front messes with me tho
and you reminded me that i need to get some skate wheels/sliders


I thought about going with just one. For bling sake you think it would look better? :dunno:

[rene13]

I am glad those rearsets worked out for you. She is looking good.rock2

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

ya, leave the right side one, thats the side the scorekeepers are on when you cross the finish line at vir
i put mine on the windshield so the paint wouldnt be affected
the way Swheels has his is nice too
hey dont you think your number should be '50'? bluelaugh moon1

[The Nutty Professor]

hey dont you think your number should be '50'?

Ah no not yetboxing11bluelaugh

Here's a mock-up of the final look (Except for the front number. Blitz I'm going for it). I have to finish up the wiring, mount the inner gas tank(? Brackets again?), and I think that's it dunno.

[The Nutty Professor]

This is one of those mods that took a little thought to get it done, but after the fact I realized how easy it was and doing a step by step write up is probably a good idea. The only problem is I'm too lazy right now to take it a part and to show the work and the steps necessary. The damper is from a 2006 GSXR-1000 but I'm pretty sure the same damper is used on the 600cc and the 750cc also. I got it for half the price of even the cheapest dampers on Ebay and the reason I went for this OEM piece instead of something else is one thing I can be sure of...it ain't gonna leak unless I wreck it and on top of that it's rebuildable. I only had to make brackets and I'm getting pretty good at that. crazy_smilie

[FiveStarSky]

jw, since youve dont some frame modding, and welding on parts, are you planning to paint the frame or run it like it is?

[The Nutty Professor]

jw, since youve dont some frame modding, and welding on parts, are you planning to paint the frame or run it like it is?

Sorry Five I missed that question. I plan to bead blast it and possibly powder coat it in the future.

Well I made a mistake with the battery placement. It was causing the front to flop front side to side I want smooth and this wasn't it. I still had the battery tray I welded up so it was easy enough to put it where it would do the most good and I'd have room. Back under the gas tank cover.The old tray would not have worked but this one was perfect.

I had also made a tray to allow me to use the X22 fuel tank. I did it a couple weeks ago but I didn't have goodThe brackets did not line up with the X22 tank so I had to stare at the damn thing for a while before I finally figured out something that "might" work? I cut a sheet of aluminum and then pounded it into shape to fit the bottom of the fuel tank. I then glued nap to the bracket and velcro loop to the tank. It holds it in place and I can remove it if I have too. I'd like to use a low psi fuel pump but that's for the future also.

[swheels]

I think that worke out great!!!!thumbsup2

[FS211]

man i get to get onto my bike build, ive just been mopping around with a frame in the garage, btw those rear sets are b*tchin, how much did you pick them up for

[The Nutty Professor]

No pictures today just a slight update. I haven't had time to do a damn thing with the bike lately. I took a week off and have been putting time in between house projects. I have never started the bike in the garage with the new exhaust and I can see I can't do it very often or the house might collapse. I thought ahead and grabbed some hearing protection. I use them mowing the lawn my hearings bad enough without adding to it. Anyway I kicked her over and :JP: SHIZZLE!!!!!!!!! :JP: She was loud as hell!!!!!!!! I walked out of the garage and across the street and took the muffs of...HOLY MARY MOTHER OF GOD!!!!!!!! I went back and turned it off! Swheels told me the bike was loud and I knew it was but with this new system it's way way over the top. I've got to do something with it??? But what???

[ashar014]

could u post a video?

[briansX19haulsass]

where did u get that huge tank!!!!!!!

[AzN 2NR]

i think hes using a x22 tank

[The Nutty Professor]

My video camera went tit's up and my other one had no sound. When I get one I'll post it. I'll try this week.

The tank is a X22 and I've noticed it seems to have the largest capacity. Unlike the other Mid's the battery on the X22 is under the seat not the gas tank which means a ton of room. But I also found out there's still more room than other tanks. I can fit the battery and the fuel tank when I raised the tank with brackets. Raising the tank lets me use it as leverage with my legs in the turns.

[Ghost Rider]

arggg i gotta here this thing!

[briansX19haulsass]

where can i get an X22 gas tank????

[The Nutty Professor]

where can i get an X22 gas tank????


From a X22...dude you left it open I had to hit it bluelaugh

[FiveStarSky]

but that really is the only way, i have never seen a site that sells x22 parts.

[briansX19haulsass]

oh hahahaha i just really like how big it is anyone have any spares??????

[RomanianRacer]

bump for update.

Where's Nut at with his video?

[The Nutty Professor]

Tired and lazy rolleye0010 I need to change the jetting again and replace the exhaust gasket. One or the other or maybe both are causing bad fueling :dunno: It idles but won't hold throttle without breaking up bad.

[The Nutty Professor]

Well I changed the jetting back to what worked. I put in a new exhaust gasket and now I need a little time to get it together for the promised video of the exhaust. And we'll see if the true sound comes through on the video :dunno:

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

mine never did, i could never really get a good clip of mine
you need a good external mic

[The Nutty Professor]

I have excess to a good digital camera so I'm going to try that and hope for the best thumbsup2

[The Nutty Professor]

I bought a nice looking race fuel tank cover from Stuntn (Dude I think I got a good deal for what I want to do thumbsup2) thinking it would fit better because it was a X19 tank...ah NO! It's the same tank as the X22? I don't get it? It's obvious the X19 X15 frame is wider than the X22 and it angled different? I know a lot of question marks but WTF? So the X15 a tank that looks the same but is different than the X19 X22? Anybody out there have both tanks they can photo side by side I'd like to see the difference.

Like I said it's not a big deal I've already got it set up to fit the tank but I was trying to see if the X15 tank gave a better seating option. I know I'm going to kevlar re-enforce the inside of this tank too, but I should be able to do a better job this time. I'm going to try vaccum lamination to see how much better that works.

[briansX19haulsass]

x19 and 15's tanks are the same the look like this
http://ep.yimg.com/ip/I/yhst-70254598815417_2051_28865770

it has that little curve on the bottom its not flat like the 22

[The Nutty Professor]

Thanks Brian but I'm talking about the tank cover, bodywork.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

you know how jags x15 body is just slightly bigger than mine?
maybe thats the case with your bike nutty

[briansX19haulsass]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh well all three 15,19,22 have the same gas tank cover sorry bought the first one thumbsup2

[stuntnx7]

I bought a nice looking race fuel tank cover from Stuntn (Dude I think I got a good deal for what I want to do thumbsup2) thinking it would fit better because it was a X19 tank...ah NO! It's the same tank as the X22? I don't get it? It's obvious the X19 X15 frame is wider than the X22 and it angled different? I know a lot of question marks but WTF? So the X15 a tank that looks the same but is different than the X19 X22? Anybody out there have both tanks they can photo side by side I'd like to see the difference.

Like I said it's not a big deal I've already got it set up to fit the tank but I was trying to see if the X15 tank gave a better seating option. I know I'm going to kevlar re-enforce the inside of this tank too, but I should be able to do a better job this time. I'm going to try vaccum lamination to see how much better that works.



sweetness rock2 still waiting on the tire...the one i got is gettin bald from rollin burnouts and circle burnouts on the pavement...need vid bcuz i still havnt seen what it looks like LOL

[The Nutty Professor]

It seems like I want to do more fixing than riding? I was never this way before? I quess I need some serious time on the bike to get out of that rut? I'm going to work on nothing tomorrow except getting the bike to my riding spot and seeing what she'll do....let's see what friggin crisis screws that plan up banghead

[FS211]

It seems like I want to do more fixing than riding? I was never this way before? I quess I need some serious time on the bike to get out of that rut? I'm going to work on nothing tomorrow except getting the bike to my riding spot and seeing what she'll do....let's see what friggin crisis screws that plan up banghead

Im in the same muck, im always thinking of ways to mess/upgrade with the bike rather than time and places to go ride it angry_red, its a side effect of midbike mania syndrome

[swheels]

It seems like I want to do more fixing than riding? I was never this way before? I quess I need some serious time on the bike to get out of that rut? I'm going to work on nothing tomorrow except getting the bike to my riding spot and seeing what she'll do....let's see what friggin crisis screws that plan up bangheadOr at least take the wheels off send them to me.So i could scuff them up for ya then i'll send them back.bluelaugh

[The Nutty Professor]

:stretcher: I really really have to laugh if not I'd kill somebody. Here's the short story:

I've noticed a trend? Every person I've sent to the DC (Jail) lately has wanted to fight? And I mean everyone. Long story short he went to jail because his tag was expired...and he thought he was Professor Gates. Same story if he would have just stood there and talked with me I probably wouldn't have even written him a ticket. He made it up into his driveway, but no I had to fight him through the house and into his bedroom.

And now I have a sprained wrist Nutty-RantIt'll be ok in a couples but my riding area is only available to me on Sunday Nutty-Rant

[swheels]

I'm getting to the plans for ya bro. I had some things i wa working through in my head.thinking_smilie
I already got the linkage drawn up for te x15 chassis.

[The Nutty Professor]

Cool at least I can do something while I'm watching WSB and Motogp today rolleye0010

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

nutty, im in a position ive never been in before
its day 13 since i rode my bike, ive never went that long before
my shoulder still feels cracked and my hand too, so even if my bike drove, i prolly wouldnt get on it, i want these breaks to heal
i really only need the front fairing, im waiting on ashar to come back from his vacation, so i can get one from him
the turbo is on hold, i havent sparred or trained since then either, it just really sux being IR
heal up bro

[FS211]

is it me or are your clip-ons reversed? they are angled up and out instead of down and out. let me know if i make sense, i may be wrong but this is my observation.

[The Nutty Professor]

No they're not reversed. They're FZR600 parts and that's their angle. It's actually better it keeps them up and away from the body and frame.

[The Nutty Professor]

Ok found out three major things today. 1. My turning radius is not near enough on the right hand side. 2. the clipons just don't cut it. Rene you may be getting some business. 3. The OEM master cylinder is to small to deal with my dual brake setup. So back to the radial master.

[The Nutty Professor]

Just ordered a rebuild kit for the PWK carb and it's shipping from across the big water. I'm looking to smooth out the fueling on the bottom end and I was told by my buddy the needle is scored and that's part of the problem. So I found a whole kit for $20 shipped. That's springs, jets, needle, clip, and all gaskets. Next I want to add a 1/4 turn throttle and I should be go to go...after I get the damper off that is.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

ya thats what i need is some progress
i dont see how you could race without a 1/4 turn, you just gotta race smart with it, i could say the same for the brake upgrades too

[The Nutty Professor]

I think the carb kits here but I dunno :dunno: damn postal wouldn't deliver with a signature so I have to wait two days. Oh well still working on the PW80 until I get the parts I need to get her right and ride. The X15 is a totally different bike than the X22. Even not working right it's a better ride. I don't expect to be able to keep up but I expect to make people really wonder how sane I really am bluelaugh All I have to say is something I had printed on a old helmet "Let's Dance".

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

looks like a good spot for a 'i told you so!' moon1

[The Nutty Professor]

looks like a good spot for a 'i told you so!' moon1

And I listened to ya brah bluelaughhahahabluelaugh I not into the ego thing. I know when to say "I'll try but I'm not gonna ace this." The word 'can't' doesn't fit but 'try' is always there. I'm still trying to ride it like a 1:1. After...what 20 years it's hard to do anything else.

[The Nutty Professor]

Well got the carb kit in, or at least the parts that fit. It seems it's one made for the Chinese knock-off Keihins rolleye0010 But the parts I really needed fit so that's all that mattered. So I get it together and grab the gas can.... banghead angry_red NO FRIGGIN GAS!!!!!!! And I couldn't run down and get any so testing will be put off for a couple days. Oh I can go get it now but I won't have the time to play with the settings to get her right. Doesn't matter I've got everything together and I'm ready for Dublin, well except for the testing that I really need to get in.

[The Nutty Professor]

Somebody friggin shoot me please banghead Ok I figured the jetting that came with the kit was supposed to be right for a 150cc motor or at least that was the claim. Should have damn known better Nutty-Rant Blah dah dah dah blah that's sounds about right the minute you give it throttle! And it lopes on idle. So take the damn thing apart yet again and drop the old pilot and main jet back in. The needle is dead solid I believe. I really need a petcock or a dry break on the damn think Nutty-RantWait a minute I have two of the damn things...but where are they?????

[The Nutty Professor]

Quarter turn throttle in and on...nope the throttle cable isn't the right length so I have to modify it and with the previous jetting in it it still is crap Nutty-Rant So now it's take it a part and clean the jet with Yamaha carb cleaner there has to be trash in them :dunno:

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

man did you get a gremlin carb or what?
anybody got a stock carb for nutty?? bluelaugh moon1

[The Nutty Professor]

Dude it's not the carb it the mechanic. "S" put it on and it worked fine. I started screwing with it and this is what I get bluelaugh I have to work my extra job today so Monday night through Tuesday I'm in the garage with the A/C on and a cox until I get the damn thing purring. If that doesn't cut it it's into the car and to the shop where my bud's will shake their head at my butchery but we'll get it right there. As a carrot I let Mark ride the PW80 at Dublin if we get the Mid right and can get street tires in time for it. He'll go for that. Yeah sneaky I know but "THIS IS WAR. AND ON THE 17th-18th WE DINE IN HELL!!!" I love that movie moon1moon1moon1

[The Nutty Professor]

Fixed the throttle cable and I'm in bidness!! :clap: That quarter turn throttle is the shizzle! One kick and she fired right up. Oh forgot one of the bottom oil lines blow off but that was my fault. The way I have her store the stand was right on the hose and must have been pulling down. I didn't even see it I just shut the motor down and when I looked down I was like WTF! I'll take luck any day. Now I just need some dry pavement. I know there's another problem in there somewhere I'm not going to find until I ride so come on sun bows_smilie

[Monster_Bike1780]

ohh yea i cant wait either for the 17th or 18th, im all excited for my first race, i get to ride betty, lol. the project is "sounding" pretty good, but im still waitin for that vid nutty....moon1rock2

[The Nutty Professor]

I no I no. When I kicked her over I thought about that and the fact I still don't have a video camera. Had one. Broke it and realized I never used the damn thing anyway. I take all still photo's. My daughter has a real cheesy pocket video cam I'll try that one???? :dunno:

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

all the digital cameras have a cheesy video option, thats how i did my first onboard video, then the vibration killed it lol
i used my mechanics for the last one and it was sweet

[The Nutty Professor]

No this one is really cheap bluelaugh But didn't turn out to bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8gkvZvSfbs


And it's still not as loud as it is in person but close!

[The Nutty Professor]

The fueling is close but still not right? I think the needle needs to come down. It runs better on choke.

[chrisbombay]

sounds like a monster.

[The Nutty Professor]

All I can say is the jetting or something just isn't right. I was giving it gas and it was bogging and sputtering then it caught and the front end was immediately off the ground...rolled off the throttle...oopps 1/4 turn is was more like chopping the throttle and she cam right back down...clunk? WTH! OK the front steering stem is loose gotta fix that one. Can't figure out how that happened but hey fix it and drive on. OK it's to the shop and see if we can pull it off? Even if we don't I'm bringing the bike and working at the track...damnit!!! again!!!!

[The Nutty Professor]

Working my butt off in the garage. Bodywork now trimmed to fit the radial master cylinder because the stock one was just sad. I had to shim and tighten the from steering stem it was chunking for some reason. Oh bled the brakes and actually had to 'make' a brake lever from scratch so it would all fit. Moved the remote reservoir for the master and it seems like it's working right. Moved the seat back yet again because my left knee doesn't want to bend to allow me to move around. It's raining so I didn't even try to start the bike. I added a filter because part of my problem might be it's flowing to much air? Hell I did a lot more getting ready but I need to get back out there and work some more.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

i like i like it
go kick some ass

[The Nutty Professor]

And here I wait for the jets I ordered for Akunar. So I decided to just start working on something. I liked the dual pipes on the X22 so I started working on that. It's in the early stage and we'll see what happens with the final product? I welded together to pieces of pipe at the top and I plan to cut that once I have the right size pipe and bingo! Duals. When I took these photos I had just finished the welds and hadn't cleaned up anything. I had been working on it for hours and was ready to quite when I took the photo's.

[FiveStarSky]

now run a guitar string through it and give it some tone!

[The Nutty Professor]

Sometimes you just want to haul off and kick the crap out of somthing. I finally got the jets in and put in a combo recommended on PlanetMinis. Then I got to working on the exhaust. I wanted the carb jetted to that. I have this thing about the original exhaust on the X22 and I've been dying to get the sucker back on there. So I buckled down and began thrashing away at it. Nasty welds but I bet they don't break! I got er dun and the grabbed the gas can...NO FRIGGIN GAS!!!!!! DAMN IT!!!!! No time to run to the station and get some I had a lot of other stuff I was putting off so again she waits on Daddy. When she grows up she's gonna hate me I know it bluelaugh

[FiveStarSky]

you should have grabbed a garden hose and neighbors car.

[RomanianRacer]

That welding looks like it will do, but its messy. Are you using a flux core welder, cause that would explain it then. Can't wait to weld up my stuff with TIG!

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

i like big welds and i can not lie...lol
now i can see how much the pegs stick out, dont they unscrew in the middle?

[The Nutty Professor]

That welding looks like it will do, but its messy. Are you using a flux core welder, cause that would explain it then. Can't wait to weld up my stuff with TIG!

Yes flux core and Harbor Frieght bluelaugh bad mix but it gets the job done. I actually put a weld on top of a weld to smooth out the splatter which forms a flatter mass (Or mess whichever will do).

[The Nutty Professor]

Ok I put in the jets recommended by someone on PlanetMinis and it's damn near close. The jets are right I'm pretty sure it just needs adjusting. I got it started after a few kicks and it ran ok just not there as far as idle. Then it stalled and I tried kicking it over again. No go? But man I got major kick-back! I thought on one it broke my damn foot speechless33 it kicked back that hard. So idle adjustment and timing I think and I'm finally there.

[FiveStarSky]

yeah, i'm having the same kick back problem with my xr80 motor?

[The Nutty Professor]

Long time no write. I was on a tear today so I just jumped in with both feet. I pulled the motor and put the V2 head on. It's been so long since I put together a motor I've forgotten the numbers so I have to search around and find them. I really should put this stuff in one spot. I'm going to check the front end I'm sure I have the wrong size bearings in there it's clunking back to front? While this I'm busy doing this I'm going to put the best street tires I can find on my PW80 and start thrashing in a parking lot somewhere on the weekend. I have to change my race strategy a little to get where I want too be. I'm getting to old to be wasting much more time sitting on the sidelines.

[TRT]

sitting on the sidelines seems to make me ache.... or atleast ache when I get off the sideline and onto a bike again.....

[The Nutty Professor]

Ok tired tired tired!!! I am so damn tired of having to deal with the right side cradle I just cut the damn bar off! I left the left side. It make it a straight beach to get the header off and on. Getting the motor out was a dance that went to a cuss word beat. But I keep looking at it from all angles and my Nutt Meter keeps telling me it's ok if I keep it under 70mph in a sweeper (bluelaugh) :bananar: So I think I'm safe rolleye0010 It was late so using power tools and making a lot of noise was out so I just sprayed the frame black just to have something to do and to cover the places I had just cut to stop rust. Well slow it down with this metal. I have to trim up the swing arm around the shock to give the computer more room when the swing arm moves. I think I'll do that next.

[The Nutty Professor]

Well here's the frame and I got bored waiting for it to dry so I did the front wheel old school. I liked it so I did the rear too.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

a white rim? gutsy
now you need a slick with 'rim guard'

[briansX19haulsass]

That is gonna be a pain in the ass to keep clean especially the back rim.:yup:

[The Nutty Professor]

I've had white rims before on a 1:1. No biggie to me.

[briansX19haulsass]

I've had white rims before on a 1:1. No biggie to me.

ALl I am saying is that is gonna be harder you know just dont use like wd40 to lub the chain just grease or something that doesnt spray the wheel.

[The Nutty Professor]

thinking_smilie ok bluelaugh 1st rodeo and all that.

[cutlasskel]

All that wheel needs now is a 1/8 stripe to match the fairings.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

i think the red/white will look good....marlboro?

[briansX19haulsass]

This is where I got my from. I just said 1/8 yellow stripe for 10 inch wheels. Guys are so cool here and really go well with the bikes! plus for 7 bucks its a steal!:bananar: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pocket-Bike-Custom-Rim-Stripes-Wheel-Decal-Tape-Sticker_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3352845a5dQQite mZ220427737693QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessori es#ht_4075wt_1118

[The Nutty Professor]

No actually I'm keeping it the same that was just something to do. This weekend I install the motor and see about turning it over and taking her out.

[The Nutty Professor]

The more things change the more they remain the same. I changed out the stock head for the V2 and I'll be damn if I didn't have to redo the exhaust yet again banghead I had to ditch the dual pipes and go back to the single pipe and add a small piece to the header so it would fit flush against the head. More welding. Also got tired of dealing with the downtubes period and cut off the second one. I don't feel good about it at all but it was becoming a major time waster dealing with it.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

looks good nut
is that bike gonna see the track this year?
dont ya hate the carb angle
you should have a rev monster in that motor now, what cam?

[The Nutty Professor]

Thanks.
That's the intent.
Hoping it works ok.
Hoping. Don't know ask Swheels.

Check out the filter.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

ya thee ol dead weight oil filter
im not gonna put it on my bike

[The Nutty Professor]

$10 shipped and I was impressed with the metal screen filter inside :yup: It had been used on a Pit Bike. The guy wasn't using it because he'd bought one of the new motors with the in case filter. When I opened the filter I could see it had been used on a new motor. The filter had trapped the fine metal pieces you see in the oil during a new motor wear in. As for the weight...If I can still pick the bike up it ain't too heavy :biggrin: and taking off the rails offset the weight rolleye0010

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

ok ok daaaam
i got one with my 160 and i just thought it was too big and heavy
i didnt look inside, i guess it could work good
and ya im rail-free and lovin it lol

[The Nutty Professor]

WTF! angry_red I can fab together a brake system, suspension, any damn thing else on a bike but I can't get a single cylinder motor to fire Nutty-Rant ????? I worked on cars, many many multi-cylinder bikes and I've never had the problems I've had with these little 4-strokes??? When I re-built the PW80 I put it together and 3 kicks it fired. Now it's a one kick bike???? I like to believe I'm not stupid but every time I have to deal with one of these motors I just end up shaking my head??? For my sanity it looks like I may end up dropping it off at my bud's place and paying him to sort it out??? It's either that or lite it up with 60 rounds from my M-4 thinking_smilie

[shaq93]

wow, i didnt know that these motors get that f'd up. i wish i could help but im still learning about minis

[briansX19haulsass]

wow, i didnt know that these motors get that f'd up. i wish i could help but im still learning about minis

Chinese motors......get f'd up........no...........hhahahahahamoon1

[The Nutty Professor]

Brah don't worry it's not the motors it's me :dunno: Put a manual in front of me and I can build a nuclear sub. Give me sketchy pointers and I'm friggin lost. Taking a CRF50 manual and trying to put together a Honnda/Kawasaki hybrid motor is not as easy and I thought. The kinda close Chinese timing marks doesn't help this idiot out either.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

nah dont do that, im just north of you in va :)
its prolly wiring, are you getting spark?

[The Nutty Professor]

I have to go back and start with those basic's B-Man. Frustration and being tired ran me out of the garage.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

ya i understand, sometimes you just gotta kick back from it for a while
my worst episodes was when i blew up the two bbks, and trying to figure out wth was going on

[The Nutty Professor]

Even laying back I still look at the bike and think what I need to do next. I got tired of kicking the crap out of the bike and it not starting so I came up with this. An electric bump-start. I did it with stuff I had lying around. In the first photo it's the unit using a Cag rear end. I was lucky it's a model that came with rear suspension. All I had to do was unbolt it and find brackets to hold it down. I didn't cut anything. With this whole build I only had to drill holes in the brackets. The motor is from and electric scooter. The second photo is the push button on the bike. I can start the bike sitting on it or standing to the side. The last is a video of the bump-start running.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RPSZIrOK-8

[briansX19haulsass]

hahhahah your nuts nutty!!!!!

[The Nutty Professor]

:point: bluelaugh I'm planning what to do next. Besides get it running and ride :bananar:

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

that is true proof of lazyness
does it start the bike, are you hi comp yet?

[FiveStarSky]

toss a front wheel on your little starter, then flip it over and ride it

[X7rocks]

that is real unique any chance of making your own batch to sell ?

[The Nutty Professor]

moon1 Blitz bluelaugh No I've actually been thinking about if for a long time. It's recommended by a lot of PM guys that if you have an early generation YX motor you should bump start instead of using the kick start. Kick starting is how many cases were busted.

No X7 I never thought about that...but thumb_down I would have to find all the parts or make them. PB rim and tire with the sprocket, chain, electric motor, PB swing arm...NAWwave_finger

[X7rocks]

lol id buy one its awesome :D

[RomanianRacer]

this kind of like a homemade dyno nutty! You hook up a computer, sensors and a stronger electric motor you might be able to get some kind of horsepower readings from it.

So did you get the motor to run?

[swheels]

There's only 2 things i see that could be a problem: 1 it's spinning the rearwheel on thw bike in the wrong direction. 2. It might be turning the wheel a little to slow to turn it over. Easy fix on the first on the though....thumbsup2

[The Nutty Professor]

Swheels that the video illusion thing going. Where a wheel spinning pretty fast looks like it's going in the opposite direction. The only thing I'm thinking is there might not be enough torque :dunno: but the system is built all I would have too do is replace the motor with a more powerful one.

Oh Blitz I've got spark now to check the gas/carb.

[swheels]

Swheels that the video illusion thing going. Where a wheel spinning pretty fast looks like it's going in the opposite direction. The only thing I'm thinking is there might not be enough torque :dunno: but the system is built all I would have too do is replace the motor with a more powerful one.

Oh Blitz I've got spark now to check the gas/carb.Oh ok...Torque is easy,go with a taller rear sprocket.

[The Nutty Professor]

I have one on the electric scooter I destroyed.thinking_smilie

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

sweet getter done
finally got my own 160 fired off last night, it sounds good, i like the outer rotor

[The Nutty Professor]

GOT IT STARTED!!!

Nutty-Rant Then it proceeded to blow oil all over the front of the motor. I shut it down and I'll pull it out and take it apart again to see where I screwed up. But while it was running it took throttle easy and a slight modification I did to the pipe cut the sound down and I think helped fueling. I have to say three steps forward and just one back. I think I also might fix the oil line from the crank case to the head. Right now it's a steel tube and it was a stone bitch to fit in place when I added the V2 head. I think I might have stripped the threads :dunno: if I did I'll heli-coil it and use a stainless steel braided hose.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

ya i wondered why they didnt use a flex hose

[The Nutty Professor]

Pulled off the transmission case cover and sure enough the threads are stripped angry_red I'm looking at permanent fix options before I start doing any cutting. I'll throw up some photo's later. I tried running a tap through it to see if I could save it...nope. It looks like the threads where cut short so the bolt never had a good bite. I wish there was a decent priced speed shop around here and I go in and get the hoses and banjo's but everybody thinks their stuff is gold. I hate catalogs with this kind of stuff but maybe JC Whitney has what I need reasonably priced thinking_smilie

[X7rocks]

hasnt ben a good day for ya eh?.

any permenent damage?

[The Nutty Professor]

Nothing The Nutt can't fix and no it's been a long strange couple days.

[boogerboy722]

would you be interested in making another set of those brackets for the rear sets?