x-18 help?

[rockethead]

I just got an x-18 bike and i notice it didnt come with a power plug to charge the battery where can i get one? It does have the kick start so can i start it up without the battery and how? and its a manual 4speed how do you shift this thing never drove a manual bike before. Let me know i want to be able to ride this thing over the weekend and not wreck it. Thanks.

[X7rocks]

im not good with typeing how to do ride but once you ride the bike the battery charges and for the kickstart you have to do it firmly yet grind with it kinda like danceing

[BMArias15]

get a better battery so go to pepboys with your original battery and get one of same size... they dont come with chargers so here's one (you can also get the same at pepboys but here's what it looks like)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DELTRAN-BATTERY-TENDER-JR-JR-CAR-MOTORCYCLE-CHARGER-A_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1171Q7c66Q3a2Q7 c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1 Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem12 0381549666QQitemZ120381549666QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPa rtsQ5fAccessories

hook up the clamps to the battery and leave them there for easy charging because inorder to access the battery you must remove seat and tail fairing which is a MAJOR pain in the ass to be doing all the time....

the shifting is the same concept as a car.... your shift pattern is like this, 1-D N 2-U 3-U 4-U. Neutral is between 1st-2nd.... to go to neutral just give it a slight tap.... shift when you feel you've maxed out power in gear by pulling clutch....

[ashar014]

get a better battery so go to pepboys with your original battery and get one of same size... they dont come with chargers so here's one (you can also get the same at pepboys but here's what it looks like)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DELTRAN-BATTERY-TENDER-JR-JR-CAR-MOTORCYCLE-CHARGER-A_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1171Q7c66Q3a2Q7 c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1 Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem12 0381549666QQitemZ120381549666QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPa rtsQ5fAccessories

hook up the clamps to the battery and leave them there for easy charging because inorder to access the battery you must remove seat and tail fairing which is a MAJOR pain in the ass to be doing all the time....

the shifting is the same concept as a car.... your shift pattern is like this, 1-D N 2-U 3-U 4-U. Neutral is between 1st-2nd.... to go to neutral just give it a slight tap.... shift when you feel you've maxed out power in gear by pulling clutch....

i bought that same charger, it works great, the price is very reasonable too

[The Nutty Professor]

You can never have too many chargers hahaha Wish I had one for every bike and car thumbsup2 One thing I think we might want to start telling Newbie's is to trash the OEM chargers. I have a stock battery which I never used with the stock charger and it's still running strong. I think 2 things are going on 1. The battery is a cheapo POS 2. The charger is even worse. The 2nd parts helps kill the first. A stronger charger might keep your battery replacement to a minimum and the charger is way cheaper than the battery.

[BMArias15]

You can never have too many chargers hahaha Wish I had one for every bike and car thumbsup2 One thing I think we might want to start telling Newbie's is to trash the OEM chargers. I have a stock battery which I never used with the stock charger and it's still running strong. I think 2 things are going on 1. The battery is a cheapo POS 2. The charger is even worse. The 2nd parts helps kill the first. A stronger charger might keep your battery replacement to a minimum and the charger is way cheaper than the battery.

Well what i was planning to do is buy the Battery tender Jr. and 2 batteries (x18 and x15) then contact the company that makes the charger and tell them that the clamps i received are defective so i can have a second set of the clamps for the other bike.....basically one charger with 2 hookups mounted one for each bike....think it'll work?

I LIKE TO HUSTLE THE HUSTLER AND SAVE $$$

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

lol @the unknown
ya that might work

[rockethead]

so i had plan to ride my x-18 today but spend couple of hour trying to get it start up and it never did. I couldnt figure out where the button to electric start is at all i found was the yellow horn button and the red button on the right handle bar which i believe is the kill switch for the engine or if it was indeed the button to start it up i press it nothing happen. I try the kick start and still wasnt able to get it fire up. I must have kick start it like 50times without any result. I check the fuse and it was there but i end up breaking the fuse trying to pull it out so where can i get a replacement fuse for it? I set the clutch in neutral displaying 0 pull the choke up and turn to the right then kickstart nothing happen. I gave up and start loading bike on my truck and i notice at the bottom of the bike theres a black tubeing thats not connected to anything and gas was spilling out and theres another black tube around the center thats not connect to anything either. I am guessing the reason why the engine didnt start was those black tube are gas line and its been cutoff so theres no gas to the engine to start up.Here are some pictures of the black tubes so if anyone can help me i would greatly appreciated.

[BMArias15]

bro leave those hoses alone...thats how they go, you may have overflowed the carb with all your attempts. but im not gonna get into that right now....

#1- you dont hold in the clutch when u kick start cause i think u dont get compression... you actually may have fu**ed up your bike doing it that many times

#2- the red button is the electric start but when u get the bike ur supposed to charge the battery first

#3- did you check to see if you were getting a spark while trying

#4 did u change the shipping oil to non-synthetic 4 stroke oil

#5- you should have read this completely......http://www.super-pocket-bike-scooter.com/X18_SUPER_POCKET_BIKE_FAQS.html

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

first of all, putting your bike in an upright position is what made the gas come out
those hoses are supposed to be there, they are drains and vents, dont mess with them
you have to pull the left brake to estart it, you prolly flooded it standing it up like that

[rockethead]

i only hold clutch in to shift to neutral but when kickstart i dont hold clutch in its only when you do electric start that you need to hold clutch. my fuse is broken where can i get a replacement one? I am gonna go buy a charger and charge up the battery and see if it works kickstart doesnt seem to work for me...

[BMArias15]

you can get the fuse at pepboys, autozone, advance auto, etc.

your kickstart works its just that you werent doing it right...

and get a wetcell maintenance free battery while your at it too... your gonna have to take time, inform yourself and be patient bro....goodluck

DID YOU READ THE LINK I ATTCHED

[rockethead]

yea i went to that link before to learn how to start it. how can i test that i am getting a spark?

[james1300]

bro leave those hoses alone...thats how they go, you may have overflowed the carb with all your attempts. but im not gonna get into that right now....



#4 did u change the shipping oil to non-synthetic 4 stroke oil

#5- you should have read this completely......http://www.super-pocket-bike-scooter.com/X18_SUPER_POCKET_BIKE_FAQS.html


Dont forget the 'Brake fluid' needs to be 'flushed and replaced' with DOT 4 , as well. :yup:

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

Dont forget the 'Brake fluid' needs to be 'flushed and replaced' with DOT 4 , as well. :yup:

and why is that?
first ive heard of that suggestion
do they use fish brake fluid too?

[james1300]

and why is that?
first ive heard of that suggestion
do they use fish brake fluid too?

LINK>>> Third paragraph down...

http://www.pocketbikeplanet.com/frontpage/index.php?p=vB47604

Second...........the stuff they add in the reservoirs isnt brake fluid..........Its esther glycol.........Its like shipping oil in the engine....Its gotta go........D O T 4 fluid is needed and you must get all of the shipping stuff out or it reacts badly with real brake fluid and turns milky white.......

Cam2's reply thread. This guy knows Mid-bikes.

[X7rocks]

yeah im not listening to any of cam2's advice somethings might make sense but he goes WAY overboared then threatens to get the feds on you with his mighty army of Men in black

the brake in the resovoirs when the bike comes in are fine...same with the motor oil i ran both of my bikes and both of my engines with this stuff and there both still running great

stop overdoing things i dont see why poeple must exaggerate everything OH WAIT i forgot change the rotors....they dont cool as much

[james1300]

yeah im not listening to any of cam2's advice somethings might make sense but he goes WAY overboared then threatens to get the feds on you with his mighty army of Men in black

the brake in the resovoirs when the bike comes in are fine...same with the motor oil i ran both of my bikes and both of my engines with this stuff and there both still running great

stop overdoing things i dont see why poeple must exaggerate everything OH WAIT i forgot change the rotors....they dont cool as much

He's never steered me wrong, yet! I DID change the 'transport' oil in mine, and I will change to DOT 4 in the brakes as well.
He's not threatened anyone that I know of.

[X7rocks]

dont ride him like a rodeo clown

he came here told us his 110 bikes are doing 70mph becuase of some weird thing he has on a carburator and on several other ocasions threatend members here for accusations i dont kno which is why he is banned here

and you can change the oil if you want you can change the brake fluid if you wanted to.just wanted to save you some money for something more important,
but remember old granpdas method of beileveing the W in 10 w 30 means "weight" isnt true.

[james1300]

Had 'NO Idea' he was BANNED for the site, here.

[X7rocks]

poeple dont get banned here unless its a valid reason...

oh also for the record the W in oils doesnt mean weight it means winter

[The Nutty Professor]

Had 'NO Idea' he was BANNED for the site, here.

Like X7 said you have to try real hard to get banned from here. We fight like brothers then forget it (Oh and sisters). He has good ideas and some that are b_s if we don't agree it's off the deep end. Nuff said.

[rene13]

but remember old granpdas method of beileveing the W in 10 w 30 means "weight" isnt true.

:jacked:This just reminded me. Do we have a Oil review thread, if we don't it would be good. we could give reviews on the oil we use.thinking_smilie

[The Nutty Professor]

:jacked:This just reminded me. Do we have a Oil review thread, if we don't it would be good. we could give reviews on the oil we use.thinking_smilie

Nope good call.

[rockethead]

Im thinking to charge my 12v battery for the bike i am gonna use my wall universal ac adaptor and just connecting the wire to the battery would this work? if it work how long should i leave it on? Here is the picture of the adaptor i will be using.

[The Nutty Professor]

I can almost guarantee it's not putting out enough amps to deep charge the battery. That's the problem with the stock chargers.

[BMArias15]

Im thinking to charge my 12v battery for the bike i am gonna use my wall universal ac adaptor and just connecting the wire to the battery would this work? if it work how long should i leave it on? Here is the picture of the adaptor i will be using.

Bro dont go cheap on your bike or your gonna have nothing but a "cheap ass bike" go get yourself a quality battery and charger.... you cheap out on your bike and your bike will cheap out on you aight...

Its bad enough that everything stock on these bikes is crap but to sit there and contribute is only worse... goodluck bro

[X7rocks]

did cam tell you everything was cheap??

everything is manageable stock if you want to change some things sure but why not make a frame of your own?

[BMArias15]

did cam tell you everything was cheap??

everything is manageable stock if you want to change some things sure but why not make a frame of your own?

What frame are you talking about????????
Aint this about a battery and charger if it aint....my bad.... if it is.... what are you talking about....

If he stays with that stock battery he's gonna be kickstarting that bike every other day cause they drain like S**T.....

Anyone here can agree that them POS cheap chargers are worthless... now yes, save money and mod what you can but s**t... the battery and charger too.

AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION YES EVERYTHING ON THESE BIKES ARE CRAP STOCK..... YEA STUFF IS MANAGABLE IF YOU WANNA BE IN YOUR GARAGE EVERY DAY WORKING ON YOUR BIKE INSTEAD OF RIDING.... SO I SAY... CUT THE S**T... BUILD YOUR BIKE RIGHT THE FIRST TIME AND ENJOY.

DOESN'T TAKE CAM2 TO LEARN THAT.... BUT IF YOU GOT A HARD ON FOR HIM THEN ENJOY.....

Im just here to learn and offer the bit of advice that i can... if i aint welcomed lemme know and thats that!

[rockethead]

hey BMArias15 thanks for the advice man. I was gonna try that charger with the battery cause i wanna ride this bike soon and dont wanna order a charger and wait for it to get ship out. I couldnt find a pepboy store anywhere around here for that battery tender i guess my only option is order it online.

[james1300]

Well what i was planning to do is buy the Battery tender Jr. and 2 batteries (x18 and x15) then contact the company that makes the charger and tell them that the clamps i received are defective so i can have a second set of the clamps for the other bike.....basically one charger with 2 hookups mounted one for each bike....think it'll work?

I LIKE TO HUSTLE THE HUSTLER AND SAVE $$$

Contact me, I have your second set of clamps.
But, why dont you use the supplied mini-harness and charge them with the fairings on?

[james1300]

hey BMArias15 thanks for the advice man. I was gonna try that charger with the battery cause i wanna ride this bike soon and dont wanna order a charger and wait for it to get ship out. I couldnt find a pepboy store anywhere around here for that battery tender i guess my only option is order it online.

Watch www.cyclegear.com for Battery Tender Jr's. on Sale!
5 year warrentee plus a set of alligator clips and a sub harness that attach's
direct to the Battery
$19.99 plus freight.thumbsup2
I Up-Graded my battery to a 'Xtreme' brand sealed battery.
Its a AGM sealed battery 12v 9Ah NINE Amp hour!
Made by Xtreme. Got it at 'Battery's Plus'
Battery number XTA9B-4
I had to lengthen the negative wire by 6"
Not going to use the metal battery hold own strap.
Battery is longer.
But the same width. Its a bit taller too. But it fits.
The battery fits SNUG in the battery tray.
So I ran a Zip-Tie around the battery and frame as a Safety strap.
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/100_4339.jpg
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/100_4338.jpg

[BMArias15]

Contact me, I have your second set of clamps.
But, why dont you use the supplied mini-harness and charge them with the fairings on?

Cause i bought my bike used and it didnt come with jack s**t

but yea i'll hit you up bout that second set of clamps bro

[james1300]

Cause i bought my bike used and it didnt come with jack s**t

but yea i'll hit you up bout that second set of clamps bro

They are genuine, 'Battery Tender Jr.' clips.
Battery Tender Jr.s come with one set Alligator clips and one wire sub-harnes, that goes bolted to the battery terminales.
When your done riding, just plug the tender into the bike!
My X18 didnt even come with an owners manual.
Thats why I ask so many lame questions! :dunno:

[FiveStarSky]

My X18 didnt even come with an owners manual.

They come with owners manuals now? hm.. well i didnt expect much from buying my bike from a kid who was late to meet me because he was pulled over for speeding and was smoking weed...wave_finger

[james1300]

They come with owners manuals now? hm.. well i didnt expect much from buying my bike from a kid who was late to meet me because he was pulled over for speeding and was smoking weed...wave_finger


Lol! All my other toy's came with manuals?
These dont?bluelaugh

[rockethead]

Is this the same battery tender jr. and would it work for my x-18 battery? Amazon.com: Deltran Battery Tender Junior 12-Volt 750 mA Battery Charger: Automotive

[james1300]

Is this the same battery tender jr. and would it work for my x-18 battery? Amazon.com: Deltran Battery Tender Junior 12-Volt 750 mA Battery Charger: Automotive (http://www.amazon.com/Deltran-Battery-Tender-12-Volt-Charger/dp/B000CITK8S/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&m=A29NS2SY77JHR5&s=generic&qid=1239583063&sr=1-5)


YES! Get one!thumbsup2 AND plan on changing the stock battery out! They are crap from the factory.

I went with a BatteryPlus+ brand XTA9B-4 XTREME sealed battery 12V9AH rated

[Unproracer]

:jacked: for discussion about the stock brake fluid and past banned familiars... Hey rock! The battery doesnt have to be charged to start it. Infact i think that fuse only links the battery to the gauge and ignition assembly.

The battery and fuse only determins if your lights, gauges and push button start works if im not mistaken. It should still kick start and run ok w/o those. Personally i've removed all that junk, mines at least 25lbs or more lighter then stock, never break stuff, and never have to worry about fuses or dead batteries....since you already removed your fairings, maybe your already headed that direction. PM if you wanna remove your ignition ill tell ya what wires to cross to make that work.

ANYWAYS - Running issues. Is your ignition key on? Then it might be flooding, On a warm day try starting it without the choke. Open the throttle during kick starting. You can remove your spark plug and if its black and wet after trying to start it, it maybe flooded,(leave plug out, throttle closed, kick it over about 20-30 times to clear the cylinder.)

If its clean and dry but wont start you probably arent getting ANY fuel or spark. Pull the spark plug out, plug it into the wire, and touch the BODY of the plug(threaded part) to the engine case and have a friend kick it over for ya, while you watch the plug for a little bit of spark(doesnt have to be big spark but DON'T hold the plug body with your bare hands). If you have spark, take off your air filter and have a friend spray a few pusles of carb. cleaner into the carb while you try to kick start it.

-Wet black plug - flooded or no spark(check plug), dont use choke to start it, keep throttle closed during kick starting. Clean plug of black carbon, dry plug out or replace, clear cylinder and try again.
-Spark ok, fires up on carb cleaner/starter fluid - If it wont stay running then the issues with your carb, or try opening the throttle while kick starting it.
-no spark - trace circuit back from the plug wire to the coil, and past that.
if its ok, then its possible your coil is bad, or your ignition s/w is bad.

FYI you only need the hose from the fuel tank to the carb to be connected. The other hoses are breathers/vents. The red button on your handle is the electric start, the key'ed ignition switch is your kill switch.

[]-[owler]

Just be careful with the carb cleaner. Too much will dry out your rings and score the cylinder.

[rockethead]

ok so i got the charger and charge the battery and it holds a charge 100%. I hooked everything up, put gas in it, shift to 0 neutral, pull the choke, press the electric starter and still it didnt fire up. I notice it makes a clicking noise like the electric start is trying to turn over. I try kickstart nothing. Any help?

[james1300]

Plug clean?
Need a plug?
Use a NGK C7HSA. Schucks sells them. (bike stores do too, but they cost more at the bike shop)
more things to check:
Fuel filter clean?
Getting fuel from the tank to the carb?
Getting fuel into the carb?

[FiveStarSky]

ok so i got the charger and charge the battery and it holds a charge 100%. I hooked everything up, put gas in it, shift to 0 neutral, pull the choke, press the electric starter and still it didnt fire up. I notice it makes a clicking noise like the electric start is trying to turn over. I try kickstart nothing. Any help?

forget the electric start, just worry about getting the bike starting using the kickstart, more than likely, you have a wiereing problem, either something is not pluged in.

Check to see if you getting spark, if you are, then its more than likely a carb issue.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

rockethead, even tho your battery says its full, it doesnt have enough amps (butt) to turn the starter
kick it till you get a good battery

[rockethead]

i am gonna try and drain the old gas and oil and refill with new one. But my only problem is i dont know how to get it drain out the gas completely i didnt get a manual with my x-18.

[james1300]

i am gonna try and drain the old gas and oil and refill with new one. But my only problem is i dont know how to get it drain out the gas completely i didnt get a manual with my x-18.

On the 'bottom' of the carb. On the 'float bowl' theres a slotted screw, next to a hose. Thats the carb drain screw.
X-18's dont come with manuals.
Get a 'Clymer' brand repair manual #M310. Titled: "Honda', 50-110cc OHC Singles.
These engines are cheap Clones of the Hondas.
I got my manyual from Amazon.com, used.

[X7rocks]

What frame are you talking about????????
Aint this about a battery and charger if it aint....my bad.... if it is.... what are you talking about....

If he stays with that stock battery he's gonna be kickstarting that bike every other day cause they drain like S**T.....

Anyone here can agree that them POS cheap chargers are worthless... now yes, save money and mod what you can but s**t... the battery and charger too.

AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION YES EVERYTHING ON THESE BIKES ARE CRAP STOCK..... YEA STUFF IS MANAGABLE IF YOU WANNA BE IN YOUR GARAGE EVERY DAY WORKING ON YOUR BIKE INSTEAD OF RIDING.... SO I SAY... CUT THE S**T... BUILD YOUR BIKE RIGHT THE FIRST TIME AND ENJOY.

DOESN'T TAKE CAM2 TO LEARN THAT.... BUT IF YOU GOT A HARD ON FOR HIM THEN ENJOY.....

Im just here to learn and offer the bit of advice that i can... if i aint welcomed lemme know and thats that!

theres a difference ffrom advice and saying hey your bike is shit anyways but you should replace this this and this we all know these bikes arent honda guality but are sure damn better then the way you and cam2 describe


both of my x18s came with manuals so im not sure what you guys are really talking about maybe its just someting new

[james1300]

theres a difference ffrom advice and saying hey your bike is shit anyways but you should replace this this and this we all know these bikes arent honda guality but are sure damn better then the way you and cam2 describe


both of my x18s came with manuals so im not sure what you guys are really talking about maybe its just someting new

So, send him a manual! (ya got two of them)
We ordered 9 bikes on a Group buy. NONE of them came with a manual. I've asked about manuals on this forum and on other sites.
I have yet to get back, 'Contact these people, they have manuals', from ANYONE.

[X7rocks]

why whould i keep a manual from a bike i bought 3 years ago? the other manual is in florida plus i moved from my house where i kept the manual unless i can go to my old job and the guy may have one or two laying around but thats a huge IF

[stuntnx7]

nobody needs a manual...arent we on a midbike website with tons of info for any bike out there :dunno:

[james1300]

i am gonna try and drain the old gas and oil and refill with new one. But my only problem is i dont know how to get it drain out the gas completely i didnt get a manual with my x-18.

Rockethead says he does. He didnt get a manual. Sometimes people cant tell if a printed statement is fact or personal preferance.

[rockethead]

so i got the x18 to fire up with electric start and kick start but i am having trouble keeping the engine runing it seem to just die immediately afterward. Whats the setting for the needle on the carb? and what could be the problem? Thanks.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

turn the idle up?

[rockethead]

whats the needle setting for the carb for the idle needl and the high speed needle how many turn out clockwise or counter clockwise?

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

from all the way in, turn 2 whole turns out

[rockethead]

i have no idea which needle is which i see a needle with a spring i assume thats the idle needle and then theres another needle thats the high speed needle correct? I just adjust those 2 needles from close and turn it 2 out counterclockwise. The engine still dies after starting up not unless i give it a little gas but then die if i give it too much gas on the throttle. angry_red Any help??

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

does it have a choke?

[rockethead]

yea theres a choke next to the guage on top of the bike i pulled it up to start.

[Unproracer]

One screw changes the mixture and the other is idle. I dont have a stock carb here, but one screw actually screws into the inside of the carb, if you open the throttle all the way and look inside w/ the filter off, u can see it sticking out inside the barrel, u can turn the screw and see it move a little, or the slide open a bit if the throttles closed. It moves the slide up and down and lets a more or less air pass by the slide and into the motor thus adjusting the idle.(controlled vacuum leak.)

the other screw, wherever it is on the carb, effects the mixture in general...

Adj. the idle screw to make it run, AFTER its running, play w/ the mixture screw and ride it to tune it. messing w/ both at the same time is a pain..

[rockethead]

i found like 3 needle one on the left side of the engine and other on the right side of the carb. I cant turn the needle on the left side it wont turn and the 2 needle on the carb i dont know which is the mixture and which is the idle. One has a spring the other dont. Can someone be more specific and tell me which needle is what and whats the default setting for the needles like how many turns? Sorry for being a pain in the rear but i just want to ride this bike.