My X18 Build [Archive] - Page 2

K-Pac

09-17-2009, 06:47 PM

Thanks Fiveestar but a lot of work still needs to be done... I do regret not modding the 110cc to see it's full potential...

So my question today is, what should I do to the bike, that I haven't done? (Ill drill those mounting holes Blitz). P.S. - Not purchase, DO to the bike...

Im thinking about adjusting the valves after seeing that video on youtube... We'll see..

K-Pac

09-27-2009, 06:47 PM

Pics tomorrow of the progress..

What I did:

1. Put on 1/4" new fuel line and gas tank
2. Re bled the brakes because the just didn't feel good
3. Hooked vapor up to the battery

Ok so I'll have a video tomorrow if It's good weather of me trying to start the bike. Now my bike does not have a starter solenoid because Mike at M & R said its not needed. He also took the choke cable off and I don't think its necessary for my new bike. Judging from the spark plug, It looks to be that the engine isn't even getting gas which is odd. I also burned out my rear light so maybe a LED in the future. I've spent too much money on this build and I just want to ride. Tomorrow = Video and pictures..

Blitz$M.Inc.$

09-28-2009, 03:21 AM

cool, waiting to see
you can get a nice red led bulb at advance auto

K-Pac

09-28-2009, 02:22 PM

http://s706.photobucket.com/albums/ww65/parabro/?action=view&current=P8300002.flv

So yup bike won't start, maybe from this video you guys can tell whats wrong and what I should do?

P.S. - The vapor said rpm was from the range of 40 - 100

Blitz$M.Inc.$

09-28-2009, 03:08 PM

lol man you were workin that thing
the first thing i notice is that you arent getting a good enough kick
when you start to kick the kicker is in the 8-9 oclock range, when i start mine i have to have it start in the 10-11 oclock range to get enough rotation to start the motor
dont kick sloppy or it can break the cases right there, always do a wind up then kick it good and firm
also a motor should start within a few kicks or something is wrong
verify you have spark and good gas flow before you go further if the kickin dont get it

FS211

09-28-2009, 03:52 PM

lyou arent getting a good enough kick

i feel the same way.

give it a solid hard kick all the way through and that puppy should fire up, it sounds like its all there.

briansX19haulsass

09-28-2009, 04:17 PM

try to get it at the compression stroke as well when u kick it

K-Pac

09-28-2009, 05:45 PM

Im going to check for spark again but I did look at the spark plug and it was black in the center..

Also gas is leaking from the engine, from places such as the head and two bolts near where the oil bolt is. So tomorrow I'll try to kick it again, I know gas flow is good, I spent 4 hours mastering the fuel line and finding the best strategy to get good gas flow.

K-Pac

10-10-2009, 06:36 AM

Ok so I put on a shorter throttle cable and the rpms are going higher. The thing is doing like a small maybe 1 - 2 second rumble (which is a good sign atleast for me). So I think the icing on the cake is to reinstall my choke and my bike should start right up. Ok so the keihin came with 2 chokes. A golden one was preinstalled with a yellow knob. Also a black one came which I think is the integrated choke. So my question is how do I hook up the choke cable to a Keihin? Is it possible?

Monster_Bike1780

10-10-2009, 10:11 AM

is it hard to kick??? or i think your just not gettin the full kick in at all, becuz ur doin like a 8 or 9 o'clock kick start from 11 or 12

K-Pac

10-10-2009, 12:16 PM

same thing but I do notice that push started it i get around 540 rpm

briansX19haulsass

10-14-2009, 05:34 AM

I dont think it is possible to do the same kind of hook up as the stock carb. You might be able to rig something up though. I did a similar kind of Idea when I had a keihen. So it is possible.

K-Pac

10-14-2009, 01:30 PM

I dont think it is possible to do the same kind of hook up as the stock carb. You might be able to rig something up though. I did a similar kind of Idea when I had a keihen. So it is possible.

I figured it out, I think. Ok well CAM2 lives nearby me and he happens to have a high rev cdi and kitaco coil and Im going to go over his house and see if thats the reason. If it is then this bike should be sailing by Monday and videos and the whole shnaz will be up.

K-Pac

10-20-2009, 06:06 PM

Yea so I never actually sent the bike to CAM because I didn't have the parts he needed. But he gave me some advice, and I was wondering if you guys agree. He told me get a Kitaco Coil and a race C.D.I (links on bottom), and once I get that, It will fire right up. This is after he also viewed my video.

Kitaco Coil: http://www.tboltusa.com/store/kitaco-super-coil-p-523.html

Race C.D.I - http://www.tboltusa.com/store/piranha-race-cdi-p-925.html

So do you guys concur?

Blitz$M.Inc.$

10-21-2009, 03:29 PM

the coil, yes
a stronger spark will be an improvement once you start upping the gas and compression
the cdi, no
i bought the blue big block cdi from pbu and it is the same one that every manufacturer sells, tho in different packaging
the truth is that the stock x18-19 bikes dont have a rev limiter in them in the first place, i can prove this if i need to throw up a dyno on a stock 110
the false marketing came from the fact that honda 50s DO come with a cdi that limits it to like 7-8k, so naturally all the sellers want to let you know that their cdi 'takes out the rev limiter', when if fact the chinese didnt even bother with it
http://www.tokyomods.com/igntions/igntions.html#G
this is the real gangster cdi/setup you can get

The Nutty Professor

10-21-2009, 05:55 PM

I agree the coil yes. I'm actually looking at a Accel coil to see if I can get it too work :dunno: I want/need a hotter spark. I'm leaving the CDI alone. I also want to try different spark plug wires and see what I get.

I'm not looking for a super-mega-hot-nicky-neat spark but I want one that's without question strong. That gives me one less thing to worry about.

Blitz$M.Inc.$

10-21-2009, 07:02 PM

tho pricey, the inferno(nology) has handled everything ive thrown at it yet
i used to use the iridium ngk plugs but they are only good for casual driving, the good race plugs have the fat electrode, they get buildup on them quicker but who cares

K-Pac

10-22-2009, 01:29 PM

Alright this is taken straight from a pm I had sent to Cam maybe about a week ago : " The stock CDI will be the other problem....Youre going to have to get a CDI for a 140 engine..I dont even hear not even a hint of a possible fire-up from the vid as far as the cdi timing being accurate with the stroke of TDC on the 140 plus with the difficulty youre having kicking 9.2:1 compression kinda proves its trying to fire way too early for the stroke......" and " The CDI wont have the right firing circuits to accomodate a 140 engine".

Do you guys agree to that or disagree?

From my understand a Kitaco coil is kind of like the Honda of coils. Sure theres better coils but there also more expensive, and the Kitaco as slightly expensive but reliable coil.

Im asking questions because I don't want to just buy a bunch of stuff and it still won't work.

Blitz$M.Inc.$

10-22-2009, 02:51 PM

The Nutty Professor

10-22-2009, 03:45 PM

The CDI like Blitz said ain't the problem unless it's broke. In my dealings with 1:1 Honda's I found a 600 CDI worked on a 900 and vice-versa. Ok the map was wrong but it worked until you really got into it. These CDI don't map they just tell the coil when to fire through the rev range.

K-Pac

10-22-2009, 03:57 PM

only if you cdi is broke will changing it work
i have used my stock 110 cdi to push my 146 hi comp motor when it was running good, so its not a question of 'wiring' unless yo sheet iz broke
in that case get any cdi you want, there are cheap as crap ones on the scooter sites
kitaco is a good japanese co, and their products are fine
are you sure your not getting spark and how exactly did you test it?

I haven't checked for spark recently. I do it buy placing the the spark plug in the coil and a friend kick starts.

Im thinking that a coil should fix this problem because it seems to be the engine is not getting good enough spark causing it to not start. What do you guys think?

10-22-2009, 04:14 PM

This is what i had to do for my piranha 140 to get it to start, basically the timing on the newer engines is advanced way to far, 15 degrees to far to be exact, so this what pitster pro came up with to solve this problem
http://www.pitsterpro.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=138

The Nutty Professor

10-22-2009, 05:04 PM

JR not to put to fine a point on it but that looks like a hack job :dunno: Removing metal from the tab seems like a perfectly fine solution. That's not what I'm talking about. It's the metal removed from the left of that. It might seem like a very small amount but that's one of the problems they've had with the IRK's exploding. Imbalance in the part. I'm not saying a big hunk of metal like that will explode but it will crack. As for it damaging the crank I think Kurlon put that to rest some time ago. But it's the actual part cracking and throwing off pieces is what I'd worry about. Instead of pulling the part off and milling it they hit it with an angle grinder and called it a day. And if they did pull it off and still used a grinder there's really no excuse for that. {Of course this is the opinion of The Nutty Professor and does not reflect the opinion of The Nation as a whole} I'll pass thank you.

GaRsNoW

10-22-2009, 07:13 PM

take your spark plug out of the motor while still connected to the plug wire and hold the plug against bare metal and kick it over. Any spark?

Blitz$M.Inc.$

10-23-2009, 02:58 PM

do exactly like garsnow said
the spark will jump the gap between the frame and the plug tip
ive found in general that my 150 with the irk is a mother to start and i have to kick it several times and give it gas at that right moment for it to start
my flywheel bike will start on the first kick, it also has the better carb which i know makes a difference but still...

K-Pac

11-07-2009, 01:22 PM

Been a while since I posted...

Updates:
Bike gets spark pretty well so I was like WTF!!!!

Im sure everyone has done this so I started cursing at my bike, then left it alone for a week. Then my dad is like if you don't get that peace of shit started soon, I will make you load that thing into your car and drive it to the garbage facility". And my dad usually doesn't bullshit...

So with that odd motivation I decided that I am no pro and need help. So I called Mike up and I just told him the situation and he said that he would take a look at it.

So I called him today for an update, and he's like, "Kevin theres a leak in the gaskets you know that right?" I was like wow... how did I not check the gaskets.

So now its wait and see...

Blitz$M.Inc.$

11-08-2009, 05:54 AM

ya its usually something little that gets overlooked
happened to me plenty of times
the funniest time was when it was out of gas crazy_smilie

K-Pac

11-08-2009, 04:41 PM

ya its usually something little that gets overlooked
happened to me plenty of times
the funniest time was when it was out of gas crazy_smilie

HAHAHAHAH man that made me laugh for a while. I can only imagine the moment.

In other news, could someone post a picture on how there oil cooler is mounted? My oil cooler idea worked but then I found out that when I turned right it pinched the lines, so on the triple trees won't work.

Blitz$M.Inc.$

11-09-2009, 04:34 PM

mine is hooked under the triple trees center bolt

K-Pac

11-09-2009, 04:54 PM

mine is hooked under the triple trees center bolt

Yea thats what I have but my steering is messed up. I can't do a hard right without pinching the lines.

K-Pac

11-23-2009, 01:36 PM

People of MidBikeNation I present to you, my x18 (naked).

The bike sounds much better in person.....

http://s706.photobucket.com/albums/ww65/parabro/?action=view&current=P1010009.flv

briansX19haulsass

11-23-2009, 02:04 PM

Blitz$M.Inc.$

11-23-2009, 03:50 PM

it looks like the oil cooler could vibrate off
sweet ride tho

FiveStarSky

11-23-2009, 04:13 PM

and on the red and black wire, just drill a 1/8" hole on the inside of the frame, and run it through the frame, it gets it out of the way and gives it a nice clean look.

K-Pac

11-23-2009, 06:33 PM

:clap::clap:congrations on getting it started! The first ride is alwas the best too.

When I rode my bike for the first time with the new motor I was having so much fun and just like is this seriously mine!!! sweet!!!!

Lol I popped a 11 inch wheelie when I first rode it. It's got a lot of torque

it looks like the oil cooler could vibrate off
sweet ride tho

Its jb welded on but if it does kudos lol.
and on the red and black wire, just drill a 1/8" hole on the inside of the frame, and run it through the frame, it gets it out of the way and gives it a nice clean look.

Maybe, I'm one of those guys who don't care about clean stuff lol. If I can find it, it's a good day bluelaugh

K-Pac

12-25-2009, 06:36 AM

Hey I want to know what you guys think I should do? Like many other bikes mine is also housed and naked. I'm going to run to PepBoys and get a new battery, battery tender trickle charger, and some heat wrap. I'm also going to need to make a new bracket for the vapor as it hit the front fairing.

Ok so since today is Christmas, I'm hoping to get some money. Now what should I get?

New Brembos from Akunar? I want to have dual fronts but I'm not sure if I have the mechanical abilities to do so?

or

New shock? I never really complain about the stock shock but maybe it is because I don't know what I'm missing out on

Monster_Bike1780

12-25-2009, 03:03 PM

better not let "S" see that one lol

K-Pac

12-26-2009, 06:12 AM

better not let "S" see that one lol

"S" has a nice shock and dual brakes. I wonder which one he would think is best to get first although I'm pretty sure its shocks.

K-Pac

12-26-2009, 06:21 AM

Ok I don't want to leave the shock vs brakes convo that may start but If I was to buy a 1/4 turn throttle do I need to get the cable or can I just use mine. My throttle came with a 3x5 cable end.

K-Pac

12-26-2009, 05:07 PM

anyone?

MotorHeadMike

02-24-2010, 08:02 AM

K-Pac

02-24-2010, 02:07 PM

nice Mugen throttle! Must have cost more than the bike bluelaugh

Who makes that? How much? Was it worth it? The stock one on mine is junk and ready to pop.

The bike looks sweet and almost full size with that exhaust.

Thanks!
Mike

Mike, you made me laugh a little. The throttle is fake, I think I got it for $8, yea lol. I got it here: http://www.akunar.com/THROTTLES.htm

The Nutty Professor

02-24-2010, 06:05 PM

Akunar makes some pretty good stuff. I got my knock off Brembo's from them. They had a few problems I had to fix but no big deal or at least for me and the price was smokin'!