I need your Vote!

[FiveStarSky]

Okay, I'm just trying to get some outside views on things, so please vote and tell me your opinions.

Poll is open for 10 days

[GaRsNoW]

Buy a real bike

[cutlasskel]

More track time should make you faster, regardless of what you ride.

[RomanianRacer]

I'd say keep the 15 and turn it into high performance mid bike.

The ysr will cost you a lot more in the long run to get around the same performance or better than a high performance mid bike, just cause parts made for the ysr are harder to find and just cost more.

It's like comparing a $60 t-shirt(ysr) made by ambercrombie and fitch to a $20(mid-bike) old navy shirt. Sure you'll get a little bit of better quality out of the $60 t-shirt, but you can trash the $20 t-shirt and still have money to buy 2 more of them.

just my 2 cents.

[JR]

Forget the YSR theirs nothing special about them, But honestly I think you would be much happier keeping the 15 or getting a real bike.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

garsnow, it is a real bike, just little
5* keep the bike you already have and work from there
race at the track if you want to, money and things will come with age
dont get the ysr to race, only to build into a street bike and i would not do that either

[Shawnbassett26]

Id say forget the 15 and the YSR to race. You can build a VERY competitive mini motard to race. You can beat them with a YSR or Mid, sorry that the way it is. Now im not saying it cant be done. Will and skill play a major factor in winning, but the odds are very much agents you with a YSR or MID. Just my thoughts.
~Shawn @ BMS

[GaRsNoW]

These are fun toys, don't get me wrong.... But a full size bike and a mid should not be put in the same category.

If I wasn't planning a wedding, and looking for a house, I'd have a 600 right now, and my 15 to play on.

My cousin bought a 89 honda cb-1 for $1100 with 39k on it, and he is loving every minute of it. Did some cheap fixes to it, and the bike looks and runs like new. There are great deals out there for any price range. IMO, your going to enjoy yourself much more on a full size bike. And you can always save a few more months to keep the 15 to play on.... I'm never selling mine, it brings a smile to my face everytime I hop on

[FiveStarSky]

yeah, i guess i'm just bored with the 15, and that would probably happen with a ysr as well.

[Unproracer]

buy a cheap (safe) big bike! They make every trip a adventure man! I bought a 89 ninja w/ 28k on it for $500 with the excuse id save gas and make the trafficy communte shorter, and ended up taking a 20 minute longer route everyday because it had more turns then the freeway route. Keep the 15 btw and track it cheaply. Its a good way to get out somethings youd go to jail for on the street...

[FiveStarSky]

yeah, after lookin around on the net, a YSR is a (dirty word) to get it track ready. And i doubt i'll have the money by sat anyway cuz i blew a tire out on my truck yesterday.
I'll keep an eye out and see if i can find a dirtbike to tard out and run that. (but turning with a knee down feels so akward on a tard) otherwize, i'll just keep tossin in $100 a week into my money jar.

[swheels]

Will and skill IMO is the biggerst part of it.

Well somebody should have told these guys that the tards are pretty hard to beat. Cuz this looks like an all you can eat buffet of motards.
The onboard camera shot is Doug on an x12 xbike. The guy way out in front is Jim aka jagspeed on his midbike.

The tards are fast! and a majority of the guys who race them spend some real $$$$$$$$$$ into them.So if your gonna get a tard and race.Make sure your just out there to have fun.The samething is gonna happen to you when your racing on a very tight budget. Dude you gotta commit! invest! and practice! otherwise you will keep confusing yourself about which bike. No matter what you get,you gotta put in the work.You think you spent time into your xbike well youv'e only scratched the surface. Oh and having the necessary tools or resources to help build the bike is a big plus. I have nothing against tards i just think it's more on individual when it comes to racing their machines.

YouTube - XMR Pocket Bike Racing Sandy Hook

[swheels]

Id say forget the 15 and the YSR to race. You can build a VERY competitive mini motard to race. You can beat them with a YSR or Mid, sorry that the way it is. Now im not saying it cant be done. Will and skill play a major factor in winning, but the odds are very much agents you with a YSR or MID. Just my thoughts.
~Shawn @ BMSHey are you guys heading over to te race in middle Ga. It's gonna be on a brandnew track.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

well i just rode my x18 11 miles home from work, on the interstate
everybit of fun as a bigger bike (except for the stock head)
shawn if you think tards are the best then come race some mids that are serious, i agree the ysr's are slow but you can have the same motor in a mid that you can have in a tard, so the power can be the same
mids, when setup right, should handle a tight track better than a tard
if you race xmr you will lose
garsnow, you said get a real bike, not get a bigger bike, these are real bikes
and if you put in the time, they are the same category: motorcycle, or as my title says Superbike

[FiveStarSky]

I'm gonna talk to my GF's dad tomorrow, he used to work on these little things, and i'm sure he can give me a credible opinion. (not that you guys arnt creditable) I'm really on the wall about this. I really just need to step on the brake and think things through a bit.

And Swheels, those tards are some of the squiddish riders i've seen, everyone of them keeps their ass on the seat. gotta lean with it & rock with it.

and my thing about motards (this is gonna sound retarted) they sit so high up above the track, they dont feel as intamte with the track, sure they are fast, but was so fun about a bike where you dont get to hang off the side hearing your puck scrape the ground, and tards turn more with the bars than the bike, as the GP framed bikes you get to be tucked on the tank closer to the bike and track, which IMO is wayy more fun. cornering on a tard feel's more like a series of controlled crashes than a smooth flowing movement.

[Shawnbassett26]

"if you race xmr you will lose" Wow blitz that a bold statement considering you have never seen me race. I can hold my own. Id love to race a mid, especially with my new KTM mini tard. Every time one enters in to the few series i race in, they get smoked and i never see them again. Im not saying a mid cant beat a motard, on average it doesn't happen (iv yet to see one place). It takes a very skilled rider to be competitive on one. Thats facts, unless you race there is just opinions. Im not bashing mids, they were just not mint to do some serious racing.

Its all preference, there is no way i could physically do 12 laps on a YSR or NSR and win. Iv raced both and no going back for me. I hate to say it. Does a full fairing bike look better? Yes but i want to win races. I despised motards at first when i had my NSR50, tried one out and was hooked ever sense.

5starsky, i drag my knee (like everyone else) on a tard. See attch.

Swheels, i see some really fast budget builds. Actually there is a guy in our F2 class that has Ebay everything and he kills us. I think he said he had less than $600 into it. Not bad, looks good too.

I know there is a lot of mids here and im by know means bashing any ones bike or skills and most of you guys want to see a mid win or be fast. Just saying do knock it till you really* ride one.

~Shawn @ BMS

[Unproracer]

its just as easy to drag knees on a pit bike, i scrap pegs and knees on my friends 65's. And the foot out option that it seems no sport bike understands, lets you lean the bike over enough to drag handlebars and levers, and stay on the bike which is almost useful in tight turns.

I hear your argument 5star, i feel the same way. My friends even encourage each other to push until they crash the other guys bike. So i've gotten to beat on a few mini motards. There fast, capable, and really fun if you just get enough time to get comfortable. And a bike is a bike, short of a harely, you can hang off any bike, sport or motard. The physics and geometry is all there.. Its the rider that makes the bike perform.

I know its blasphemy on this forum to say it but i agree w/ basset.

read in a race orientated engineering book, "there are only two reasons for doing something. One reason is to win. The other reason is any other reason then the first..." - something to that affect.

All the Chinese companies made good bikes for the price, and their intent was to profit by selling a product with cheap manufacturing costs
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All the Japanese companies made a great bike for the price, and their intent was to profit BY dominate the two wheeled racing world vs all other competing companies...

Thats not to speak for the xbike guys who mod out the anus, their bikes to race factory bikes. Im right along with you all, i cant afford a damn nsr or pitbike. [If i did have the money, id of bought a big race bike and a track pass, and stfu day ago...] But the fact is they have more aftermarket support, factory r&d, better quality, materials and manufacturing methods.
This is from someone who does nothing but tears apart other peoples engineering to fix and/or redesign and reassemble, all day long...

[RomanianRacer]

Hey shawn what size motards do you race? crf70's?

[swheels]

And Swheels, those tards are some of the squiddish riders i've seen, everyone of them keeps their ass on the seat. gotta lean with it & rock with it.

.I can guarantee you that if you were out there racing against those same guys on their tards.You'll get lapped quicker than you can twist the throttle on your bike.It took XMR some time and serious development to get their xbikes and mids to do what they did in that vid.

[QUOTE=Shawnbassett26;39420Swheels, i see some really fast budget builds. Actually there is a guy in our F2 class that has Ebay everything and he kills us. I think he said he had less than $600 into it. Not bad, looks good too.

I know there is a lot of mids here and im by know means bashing any ones bike or skills and most of you guys want to see a mid win or be fast. Just saying do knock it till you really* ride one.

~Shawn @ BMS[/QUOTE] I can only say i guess it's where you race. So that's what you have to go on.I'm not nocking tards at all.I love them and they are fast as heck and easier to ride. I just think it's more on the indivdual than it is what type of bike they ride.Fact Iv'e beaten up on 4k pocketbikes and on some tricked out tards and was on pace with them on a track i only been on twice. It's all in what the individual can do,will do or has to do.If your lacking it will show on race day. No matter what the ride is. To me 2 wheels is 2 wheels it's what you do with them 2 wheels that determines the outcome. 5 Star you can drag a knee on anything if your willing.Sometimes draggin a knee is not required especially if your getting traction.thumbsup2

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

shawn, thats the beauty of smack talk
im sure your fast, some other tards were going by me at the hook and i couldnt stop it
ok so ill say if you want some real competition then you havent seen it yet

[X7rocks]

from what ive seen...tards are easier to get used to cuase of the feel of the entire bike i find it uncomfortable

the x18 has the same kinda thing going on as a motard when you turn or try to corner the bike..theres still alote of air left for you to be able to lean into

a xbike needs a bit more skill to get used to imo becuase of its size and the design of it,but basset did kinda prove his case..."easier to ride" which means it probably doesnt take alote to master unlike a midbike. not trying to bash but if you think around the box thats what your going to get.

but i think either luigi or jag would be a good race against basset id pay to see it.

[stuntnx7]

have you figured out what your gonna do yet or do you wanna make another poll and talk about it for another month bluelaugh...is this gonna be like shooters bike and never get done bluelaugh

[swheels]

not trying to bash but if you think around the box thats what your going to get. When your trying to track an xbike you got no choice but to think outside the box.bluelaugh

Any victory that goes to an xbike is a HUGE one!

You can't just slap parts on an xbike and go race against bikes that was totally built and designed to race.Then expect good results lol takes alot of work you just can't cut corners when your racing an xbike.
Now that i think about it, a xbike is the only bike that you pretty much need.A welder,drill press, dremel,grinder, loctite( lathe and a milling machine if your lucky)some type of saw.Just to get it in the realm of being competitive.LOL Then you got to learn how to ride te bike.LOLOLOLOL

[swheels]

have you figured out what your gonna do yet or do you wanna make another poll and talk about it for another month bluelaugh...is this gonna be like shooters bike and never get done bluelaugh It's called xbikeaphobia. It causes mass confusion in a person that wants to race.Then go to a track and get the shock of their life.bluelaugh I know it all to well.For i to have been a victim to it as well......It is usually brought on by trying to race an xbike against the more race ready machines.Especially when you've done what you think is enough to have a decent performing trackable xbike.

The symptoms are:
1.anger,
2.self doubt when it comes to the bike.
3.hating China for making the POS in the first place.
4.Also the lost of desire to ride it again
5.wanting to get rid of the bike.
the worst symptom:
6.Mass CONFUSION to the owner and people who never seen an xbike on a track before.
Yes i have had all these symptoms even too! But i have used them to motivate me and make me want to do better everytime i get some track time. Iv'e heard of people kicking and beating the bikes.Though iv'e never witnessed this type of aggression.

[Shawnbassett26]

It's called xbikeaphobia. It causes mass confusion in a person that wants to race.Then go to a track and get the shock of their life.bluelaugh I know it all to well.For i to have been a victim to it as well......It is usually brought on by trying to race an xbike against the more race ready machines.Especially when you've done what you think is enough to have a decent performing trackable xbike.

The symptoms are:
1.anger,
2.self doubt when it comes to the bike.
3.hating China for making the POS in the first place.
4.Also the lost of desire to ride it again
5.wanting to get rid of the bike.
the worst symptom:
6.Mass CONFUSION to the owner and people who never seen an xbike on a track before.
Yes i have had all these symptoms even too! But i have used them to motivate me and make me want to do better everytime i get some track time. Iv'e heard of people kicking and beating the bikes.Though iv'e never witnessed this type of aggression.

Haha, that not just Mids, everyone gets that same feeling on any bike on any track on any given day. A lot of guys think they are going to be really fast but are sadly disappointed. It really takes, a lot of track time, dedication, and setting your bike up correctly.

Id love to race some competitive Mids, hey ill race anything competitive! Its all in good fun, im not a trash talker, I just get it done.

~Shawn @ BMS

[swheels]

Haha, that not just Mids, everyone gets that same feeling on any bike on any track on any given day. A lot of guys think they are going to be really fast but are sadly disappointed. It really takes, a lot of track time, dedication, and setting your bike up correctly.

Id love to race some competitive Mids, hey ill race anything competitive! Its all in good fun, im not a trash talker, I just get it done.

~Shawn @ BMSThat's true to an extent hopefully you guys can make it to the Ga track.Then you'll see what i mean.LOL The only reason why i love and stuck with the mids is because of the deep rooted love hate relationship.LOL I can put together a list just for chassis parts to help a tard or a list for like a ysr or nsr that could help it get around the track better suspension wise.Now if i were to put together i list for an xbike you'll see things on that list and say what the heck.LOL

[FiveStarSky]

sorry for being so undescisive on the topic. the "xbikeanitus" or whatever swheels called it is pretty much it.

the whole reason for swapping over to a different bike would be just to beable to compete in more classes, I've also been thinking about picking up an XR100, they are pretty cheap, and have alot of power for a 100cc, but they dont handle to well in tight turns, and sit really tall. (for a mini race bike) But in the Novice classes, the only oppertunity to pass is really in the straights, as the tards hog up the track in the corners, and most riders arnt too comfortable swappin paint in a turn.

[Shawnbassett26]

The XR100 is a awesome track bike, Id run 12" wheels though and a BBR 120cc BBK. Those things are killer on the track and you can do it pretty cheap. You can pick up a KLX110 pretty cheap now a days too. I think ultimately the in the class i race (F2, 125cc 4strokes and 65cc 2strokes) and i hate to say it, its all about the 65s. They have a HUGE advantage on the 125 4 strokes. You can pick up a RM, KX, 65 REALLY cheap, swap a 12" hoop on the front pick up some 12" tires and you will have a really competitive bike. Again, just my 2 cents. Really do what make you happy and with in you budget. Hope some of my info has helped.

~Shawn @ BMS

[FiveStarSky]

The XR100 is a awesome track bike, Id run 12" wheels though and a BBR 120cc BBK. Those things are killer on the track and you can do it pretty cheap. You can pick up a KLX110 pretty cheap now a days too. I think ultimately the in the class i race (F2, 125cc 4strokes and 65cc 2strokes) and i hate to say it, its all about the 65s. They have a HUGE advantage on the 125 4 strokes. You can pick up a RM, KX, 65 REALLY cheap, swap a 12" hoop on the front pick up some 12" tires and you will have a really competitive bike. Again, just my 2 cents. Really do what make you happy and with in you budget. Hope some of my info has helped.

~Shawn @ BMS

yeah, most people at TMGP reccoment a xr100 to start out on as they are cheap, and i would need to swap to smaller tires, cuz those things are super tall for a tracker. ( i like being low to the ground ) I've Seen some early 2000 models as low as $600 bucks. but yeah, at TMGP 2-strokes dominate

[FiveStarSky]

Not too sure if this changes anything, but the guy said he would take $600 for the why-zer that seems like a pretty good deal for one though (same as a new x-bike)

As of now, i'm thinking about picking it up, that way i can have two bikes to run, my Mid for the F7 & F6 classes (110cc and under, 135cc and under) and then the YSR for the YSR/NSR Class (which is no big deal cuz not many people have them)

[stuntnx7]

Not too sure if this changes anything, but the guy said he would take $600 for the why-zer that seems like a pretty good deal for one though (same as a new x-bike)

As of now, i'm thinking about picking it up, that way i can have two bikes to run, my Mid for the F7 & F6 classes (110cc and under, 135cc and under) and then the YSR for the YSR/NSR Class (which is no big deal cuz not many people have them)



dude one race bike is enough to take over the wallet and you want 2 bikes!!!

[FiveStarSky]

All i would have to do for the ysr is ditch some weight, they only allow stock YSR/NSR except for tires, carb, air filter, and electrical. (the program used to be sponcered by Yamaha back in the 90's)

And the program doesnt charge per bike, just per race.

I called my GF's dad to see what he thought, and he made some very good points about why i should stay off the streets, at least untill i get some more riding xp. And that the ysr would be better off than continuing to dump $ into a mid (i know he has limited info on these though)

Random side note: I found a church that has a nice parking lot area, I'm gonna go talk to them to see if i can ride in their lot. they are a small church, so the lot is usually empty during the week. only 10 mins from my house or so.

[swheels]

Well heres my point about 2 wheels is still 2 wheels. you gotta put in the work no matter what it is.Watch closely as you'll see the ysr get over taken by a scooter on(IMO) the hardest part to past on the track. 5star just because the rules say stock doesn't mean everybodies ysr's are gonna be stock LOL Cranks,fork internals ported and worked motors,reed cages. Have a feeling your gonna be stepping into the lions den all over again. I'm not trying to discourage you in the least bit. I just want to expect the unexpected not get your hope so high.Just to go out there and have fun and enjoy yourself. Have some fun! develope the bike an your style of riding then go forthe kill!


YouTube - SRC at VIR

[swheels]

Oh let me clear the vid up a little cuase it does seem a little miss-leading.

In the parts of the vid where the scooter was on the track with the other bikes.That was practice only! The scooters had there own class and there was 3 of them racing amongst themselves.

[FiveStarSky]

mullets and mopeds should never be combined....

yeah, i was kinda wondering why there was a pocket on a track with all the others

[swheels]

mullets and mopeds should never be combined....

yeah, i was kinda wondering why there was a pocket on a track with all the othersI don't get that.LOL

[FiveStarSky]

but man that looks like a fun track! i like how its has some elevation changes

[swheels]

Yes indeed it is. Especially when before you get on the front straight.You come up over the rise into a blind turn leading on to the front stretch.As soon as you come up over the rise all you see is the WALL.LOL This year it didn't bother me at all. I'm gonna miss that track,i don't think the usmgp is gonna hold another event there again.

[The Nutty Professor]

The symptoms are:
1.anger,
2.self doubt when it comes to the bike.
3.hating China for making the POS in the first place.
4.Also the lost of desire to ride it again
5.wanting to get rid of the bike.
the worst symptom:
6.Mass CONFUSION to the owner and people who never seen an xbike on a track before.

1. Imagine spending a year working a bike only to find out is a POS! That's the XBike way bluelaugh If you stay after that you're hooked!

2. Big time. I road bikes with 3 times the power and didn't flinch...well only as the bike was tossed done the road.

3. For about a minute. Then I got pissed and started looking for better parts.

4. Nope just the original bike moon1

5. Nope it's under the bench waiting for me.

6. Still confused on how I should ride but that's because of a lack of seat time.

[FiveStarSky]

alright guys, as of now (despite what you guys say) i'm gonna head down to austin and pick up the bike in the morning. (or at least take a look)

[The Nutty Professor]

Then why the hell did you ask????? bluelaugh moon1 bluelaugh moon1

[swheels]

Then why the hell did you ask????? bluelaugh moon1So he could make another thread on what to do with this bike.bluelaugh moon1

[FiveStarSky]

gah if i'm that much troubble, ill just leave,


but nah, i pretty much know what i want to do with this thing, but i cant really get too far planned out untill i got the thing sitting in my shop.

First thing will be a total dismantle, repair, clean, and assemble.

[swheels]

gah if i'm that much troubble, ill just leave,


but nah, i pretty much know what i want to do with this thing, but i cant really get too far planned out untill i got the thing sitting in my shop.

First thing will be a total dismantle, repair, clean, and assemble.Dude reeeeeellllllaaaaxxxx.....ball bustin....... I'm starting to think you like to take them apart and rebuild more than ride them though....... nothing wrong with that.Different strokes for different folks that all.

[FiveStarSky]

Dude reeeeeellllllaaaaxxxx.....ball bustin....... I'm starting to think you like to take them apart and rebuild more than ride them though....... nothing wrong with that.Different strokes for different folks that all.

i know yall are just pickin, and yeah your pretty much right on the idea that i like to build/fix up stuff than actually use it lol.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

might as well get a snap-on account now
buying a bike in a box is a bad idea imo
if its missing a piece, how would you know?
where does this washer go, what is this?
i can see alot of probs, basic or not
then after all that, you still get your butt whooped by a kid on a hooked up mid

[The Nutty Professor]

Ok I just viewed the scooter vid speechless33 :JP: speechless33 That YSR had a boat anchor attached to it! I knew they were slow but not that slow! Five if I were you I'd already be planning to fabricate motor mounts for a YX motor!!!! The horsepower gains from that motor would he a hell of a lot cheaper than trying to make that motor any faster. You were hell-bent on getting one so at least take a little good advice and ditch that motor.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

ya nut i think they were out there as a passing hazard, like a water hazard is in golf
they were the slowest things on 2 wheels there
when i saw them i was like cool, i never seen one in person, then i saw them up close.....makes the dirty girl look like the prom queen bluelaugh
so ya i second tnp on that, motor swap if you want to be competitive

[swheels]

Ok I just viewed the scooter vid speechless33 :JP: speechless33 That YSR had a boat anchor attached to it! I knew they were slow but not that slow! Five if I were you I'd already be planning to fabricate motor mounts for a YX motor!!!! The horsepower gains from that motor would he a hell of a lot cheaper than trying to make that motor any faster. You were hell-bent on getting one so at least take a little good advice and ditch that motor.Yeah it wasn't pretty at all Nutty P. Infact when i was first lapping the ysr's i raced on my old beat up tires front and rears.one of the guys took my old slick once we changed it and threw it in the trash. I was still gonna use that sucker for practicing on.banghead