The adventures of Brian and his top speed attempt

[briansX19haulsass]

What is the fastest one of these things has been proven to do. Im talking about a horizontal motor as well, not a all chopped one with a gsxr 600 motor in it.

As most of you know I will be trying after winter. I was ready to before I had compression problem. But now things are rolling again
I have already added a:

160cc big bore
tb300 cam
ported and polished head
17/18 which ever front sprocket
22 rear sprocket
inner rotor

Thing I will probaly have after winter:
race head
maxxis rear tire
trail tech
extended swingarm

I think this will be a very strong set up consitering the honda type motors strengh and abilty to really get into the rpms.

I just want to know what the record is right now and if you guys think the setup I am running I am capible of doing so.....:yup:

[RomanianRacer]

I'm pretty sure no one has hit 90mph yet or even 85mph. So get in that range and you should be set. One thing though is that running that fast on such small tires and such a small bike would be very uncomfortable to me.

[swheels]

Long time ago way before the big bore kits could be bought. I guy by the name of RKfinch has broken has went over 100mph mark with a motor he built and put in his x18. The motors he has built was pushing over 18hp and that's to the rearwheel.Plus if i remember correctly it might have been a 138cc motor./horizontal motor. Good luck on your quest.

Man i'd hate to see what he could do with these motors now.thinking_smilie
This guy was light years ahead in building these motors long before the guys on planetminis.Those guys are just now catching up to RKfinch and his motor building skillz.LOL

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

ya RK has the record at 93mph, this one is proven by video
im not a big fan of the 160 bore kit for the jailing motor, the bore is so big that there is a little skinny piece of headgasket near the stud holes
i think it would be easy to blow up, its just my opinion, i may be wrong, but it dont look 'reliable' to me, thats why i stuck with the 146 kit

[swheels]

ya RK has the record at 93mph, this one is proven by video
im not a big fan of the 160 bore kit for the jailing motor, the bore is so big that there is a little skinny piece of headgasket near the stud holes
i think it would be easy to blow up, its just my opinion, i may be wrong, but it dont look 'reliable' to me, thats why i stuck with the 146 kitI agree with you on this Blitz.I've been toying with the idea for my 146 but i really don't think i'm gonna do it for jus that reason.

[briansX19haulsass]

Ya I know of RKfinch. Thats what i though the record was to was 93mph.

Ya I have heard some alright things about the 160cc bigbore. Even the business owners themselves will say it wont be as realiable just because it is a proven fact the more cc's you add onto a motor the less realable.

But there is no reason a 160cc engine cant live a happy long life....thumbsup2

[swheels]

Ya I know of RKfinch. Thats what i though the record was to was 93mph.

Ya I have heard some alright things about the 160cc bigbore. Even the business owners themselves will say it wont be as realiable just because it is a proven fact the more cc's you add onto a motor the less realable.

But there is no reason a 160cc engine cant live a happy long life....thumbsup2 No your not getting what we're saying. The 160bbk would be even more at risk of failure do to the fact that theres not much metal around the studs to keep them from pulling out. Can lead to constant head gasket failure and sorts more than normal.

[The Nutty Professor]

"S" is right. I believe that's one of the reason's they went to the KLX style head. One reason it just breaths better and the other is there is more re-enforcement around the head stud area.

[X7rocks]

with more performance comes the short life span....

[swheels]

with more performance comes the short life span....Also depends on how your beating her.So far i can't say enough about my motor holding up.thumbsup2 So far the only thing i've truly lost is the kick starter lever.bluelaughbluelaugh

[X7rocks]

same here for the old 146 it broke and cut me deep in my ankle >< shouldve worn boots bluelaugh

[FiveStarSky]

just to stop all the haters, i would deff try to get at least two high speed runs on flim. kinda like they do for the land speed racers, average your two runs together, and try to do both runs within a certain time limit.

[briansX19haulsass]

Ya i got you fivestar.

I want realiblitiy this is not what I wanted to hear..... but i will make the best out of her.

[RomanianRacer]

Long time ago way before the big bore kits could be bought. I guy by the name of RKfinch has broken has went over 100mph mark with a motor he built and put in his x18. The motors he has built was pushing over 18hp and that's to the rearwheel.Plus if i remember correctly it might have been a 138cc motor./horizontal motor. Good luck on your quest.

Man i'd hate to see what he could do with these motors now.thinking_smilie
This guy was light years ahead in building these motors long before the guys on planetminis.Those guys are just now catching up to RKfinch and his motor building skillz.LOL

What, did he build his motor from scratch and had a cnc mill lying around? Is he still into mids? He should be, he would have one badass bike! One goal to hit would be fuel injection. Never have to worry about bogging issues, you can also set up different maps depending on your riding type:whether it be pinning it to the redline or chug along down low like a tractor. I've come across a component that would work with our bikes and I think it doesn't need a battery to run. There is a whole build log on a guy that stuck it on his dirt bike that used a carb before.

[X7rocks]

"worry about bogging issues"

you would never run into that issue if you know how to tune the carburator

2 hes out of midbikes i think hes doing some larger kinda builds

he took a normal lifan bottom end stuck a GPX 5 plate clutch system for it to fit the lifan trx 450 valve springs 28mm intake 24exhuast nitrous and lots of other mods for the 93mph bike

the one for 100 and up was somthing much more.

[swheels]

"worry about bogging issues"

you would never run into that issue if you know how to tune the carburator

2 hes out of midbikes i think hes doing some larger kinda builds

he took a normal lifan bottom end stuck a GPX 5 plate clutch system for it to fit the lifan trx 450 valve springs 28mm intake 24exhuast nitrous and lots of other mods for the 93mph bike

the one for 100 and up was somthing much more.Yeah he did alot more work than what your saying especially to the head.(re shaping the combustion chamber and all,building up the lower end of the motor.) Rk has done some REAL serious work to his motors. He was getting 18hp on his motors before the spray.thumbsup2 and 93mph was acheived on one of his smaller bored motors. He broke 100mph mark i believe on his 138cc or a bigger bore.He didn't post up a vid though,he mentioed it in one of his threads.

[swheels]

just to stop all the haters, i would deff try to get at least two high speed runs on flim. kinda like they do for the land speed racers, average your two runs together, and try to do both runs within a certain time limit.???????????????????????:dunno:

[RomanianRacer]

ya i guess so, but EFI is so much simpler than carburetors.

[RomanianRacer]

also you wouldn't need to fine tune your bike before a race because of different elevations, with efi.

[swheels]

"worry about bogging issues"

you would never run into that issue if you know how to tune the carburator

2 hes out of midbikes i think hes doing some larger kinda builds

he took a normal lifan bottom end stuck a GPX 5 plate clutch system for it to fit the lifan trx 450 valve springs 28mm intake 24exhuast nitrous and lots of other mods for the 93mph bike

the one for 100 and up was somthing much more. You can't beat efi bro. you just can't.LOL

[briansX19haulsass]

well since the bore kit and the cam are already installed, what can I do to make the motor gain or keep realiability in the motor as possible... Thanks guys.

[RomanianRacer]

short shift, don't rev to redline, keep up on maintenance(air filter cleanings, change oil often, etc.), make sure your valves are in spec, not sure how to do it with these motors as they don't come with maintenance manuals to tell you.

[briansX19haulsass]

Ya I know that stuff dude. Any products that could be bought to make the engine realiable?

Should I even maybe add the race head?

[briansX19haulsass]

Not for realiablity just for the hell of it to get more power??????moon1

[btroxl]

If you want efi check this out

http://www.megamanual.com/MS%20FAQ.htm#manual

[RomanianRacer]

Seeing as how you want a fast engine, your going to have to lose reliability. It's a drawback of having a race motor. It's basically a ticking time bomb. You'll know you've got a high performance race motor when you have to have a new top end done after every race(piston, rings, valves).

You could pick up an oil cooler, unless you already have one. That should help with heat your engine is going to give off. Or switch off to an engine that has actual liquid cooling with radiators.

[RomanianRacer]

If you want efi check this out

http://www.megamanual.com/MS%20FAQ.htm#manual

Ya that's the product I was looking at, but it was microsquirt. Made by the same company just a lot smaller and would fit into our small mids.

[briansX19haulsass]

Ya I got a oil cooler. I dont think I am going to have to do a top end rebuild everday dude.... What are you talking about!! There is no way in hell

[X7rocks]

You can't beat efi bro. you just can't.LOL

true but ill make the best with what we have so far :D

[RomanianRacer]

Ya I got a oil cooler. I dont think I am going to have to do a top end rebuild everday dude.... What are you talking about!! There is no way in hell

I'm saying a really high performance motor would require that, no way our mids would ever reach that high.

[X7rocks]

if you can keep oil at around 75 or 80 C your gonna have a badass cooled motor

[briansX19haulsass]

Well what oil cooler do you guys suggest I throw on top of everthing...

[X7rocks]

try to get 2 oil coolers and keep them in a nice cooling area
i wonder if its possible to add a external electrical oil pump aswel.

[swheels]

Becareful with if your gonna run dual oil coolers.Since nobody here has ran that setup.I'd suggest you do a search first before you find out the hard way.
I was researching on runninng dual cooler and found out that there are pros and cons. It's not as straight forward as one would think. So i'd go on planetminis and and do a search.

They do make kits though for dual coolers.Also just don't beat the heck out of your equipment if you don't have to.It will last! weren't stating this would definitly happen. Just can be a high risk.Theres a chance my motor can blow at any time from racing if i just keep reving it to the moon. My motor gets in to the power real fast and pulls all the way till you let the throttle go.bluelaugh Managing your equipment that's all. My motor should have blown a longtime ago.bluelaugh If i wanted it to.LOL

[briansX19haulsass]

Well I will do what I did with my previous motor. Change oil frequently, watch air filter and try my hardest to keep those rpms down.....

I cant wait to see what these mods do to the bike. I have heard from a few people that the bike is total different after the bore kit, cam and head. Blitz will agree with me and same witha few people on planetminis...

I will make a video soon of the motor and the bike all torn down and everthing just another build threadthumbsup2

[swheels]

It's gonna be a huge difference,probably like a 4to5 Hp gain. You sould notice instantly.

[briansX19haulsass]

ya thats what I keep hearing..

What do you guys think NOS? hahaha I know it wouldnt help in the realiable factor but jeese that would be one crazy midbike huh.

[X7rocks]

your running a higher compression with nos your begging to replace your headgasket the second you hit the trigger.

[briansX19haulsass]

Ya I was kinda joking kinda of serious.

It kinda sucks that after all this there is nothing else to upgrade motor/hp wise.

[The Nutty Professor]

Dudes I just stumbled on a fuel additive for pump gas. The only problem is it's stable only if you mix enough to use then throw out what you don't. I don't know the ratio yet per gallon. The reason I put it here is because it's a speed run and it should give you a couple hp. Notice I didn't say 'free'! If and when I figure it out I'll pm it to anyone who wants it but for liability reason's I ain't putting up a thread. Giving out my tire prep was risky enough. Speaking of which I think I have a improvement for that on the horizon. If I had thought about it I would have told Monsta before the Nationals and he would have had tires that gripped a little better.

[swheels]

More grip in his case would have ment more twisting of the swingarm.

[briansX19haulsass]

sweet dude. deffinetly pm me with details. I may do your tire thing as well.

[RomanianRacer]

Dudes I just stumbled on a fuel additive for pump gas. The only problem is it's stable only if you mix enough to use then throw out what you don't. I don't know the ratio yet per gallon. The reason I put it here is because it's a speed run and it should give you a couple hp. Notice I didn't say 'free'! If and when I figure it out I'll pm it to anyone who wants it but for liability reason's I ain't putting up a thread. Giving out my tire prep was risky enough. Speaking of which I think I have a improvement for that on the horizon. If I had thought about it I would have told Monsta before the Nationals and he would have had tires that gripped a little better.

You mean octane booster??? That's only useful if your running a real high compression motor, where straight pump isn't enough. Sure you'll notice a little improvement, but if your motor runs fine off of straight pump, then I think it's a waste of money. I would only consider using it in a short race, where one tank is enough to run the whole race.

[FiveStarSky]

nos = ka-boom!

Well, one big advantage you already have is your kinda tiny and probably dont weigh much, compared to some of the bigger guys around here, specially with mini's, i out ran people on bigger bikes just cuz they were old fat guys and weighed 200lbs.

and this is an idea, and probably out of your budget/skill, but if your wanting to hit close to or over 100, a nose fairing that created a better bubble over ya would help. the x bikes really dont do much for wind protection, as the bubble off the windscreen is probbably hitting your bellybutton. may could take the gas tank cover off and help you lay down a bit more.

[briansX19haulsass]

Ya I weigh about 130lbs and have a pretty powerful motor I am running now.bows_smilie

Add them up and make a pretty fast combination plus I am running some pretty crazy gearis as well. anything form 15/17/18 front sprockets I have them all.:yup:

[X7rocks]

remember what i told you on the phone...make a sprocket ratio for the engines power not for your personal preference.

[FiveStarSky]

one bike we all see but never hear about is XMR's Rossi rep, 100cc 2smoke... easy 100mph right there. (assuming it has a pipe set up for it)

[The Nutty Professor]

More grip in his case would have ment more twisting of the swingarm.

Yeah you're right and it probably wouldn't have lasted like it did.

[The Nutty Professor]

You mean octane booster??? That's only useful if your running a real high compression motor, where straight pump isn't enough. Sure you'll notice a little improvement, but if your motor runs fine off of straight pump, then I think it's a waste of money. I would only consider using it in a short race, where one tank is enough to run the whole race.

Octane boost??? Not really it just gives a cleaner burn or should.

[briansX19haulsass]

Hey nutty gain you show me what rear tire I should run and how to do your trick to make it more sticky...

[The Nutty Professor]

Hey nutty gain you show me what rear tire I should run and how to do your trick to make it more sticky...


Here's the thread and I plan a update:

http://www.midbikenation.com/showthread.php?t=1928&highlight=tire+lab

[briansX19haulsass]

Thanks agian nutty.

Anyone else on how to make the motor more realiable? Like head gaskets that could be better suited for strength and high compression motors?thinking_smilie

[Niusiic[latvia]]

and this is an idea, and probably out of your budget/skill, but if your wanting to hit close to or over 100, a nose fairing that created a better bubble over ya would help. the x bikes really dont do much for wind protection, as the bubble off the windscreen is probbably hitting your bellybutton. may could take the gas tank cover off and help you lay down a bit more.

Actually, it's good idea. Duck tape all lights so there isn't any wind resistance or what ever it's called! It may give you + 3 or so mph IMO

[briansX19haulsass]

Ya not bad idea....If I am on thhe border doing like 97 or 98 and have done everthing, I will tape up the lights and extended the wind shield.

[Niusiic[latvia]]

And get your self a gay suit aka very aerodynamic suit.

[briansX19haulsass]

NO way

[Niusiic[latvia]]

NO way

Don't like it?bluelaugh

[FiveStarSky]

lol oh yeah, tight polyester plus a road at 90mph, that sounds like a good plan

[Supercharged]

maybe you guys shouldnt be going that fast a foot from the ground, take it from a guy whose back is smashed 1 inch shorter....what if my head woulda taken the blast

dont let your brain splatter now boys, be happy your bikes run and you got an exhaust being held up with bolts and not springs like mine!

[X7rocks]

yeah..but kids just wanna go faster..

[briansX19haulsass]

ya true that

[K-Pac]

Any protective gear on when you hit the triple digits?

[FiveStarSky]

if you need gear, i have a set of leathers that i'm sure will fit you perfect, i'm 5'8, 140 and the jacket is fine, but the pants are just a tad to small for me. good shape. if interested let me know.

[Supercharged]

how much 5 star

[X7rocks]

wait this kid is wanting more power then it needs and hes not wearing any safety gear? a helmet helps your noggin but i prefere to be in a coma healing up road rash then be concious and suffer through it

[FiveStarSky]

i'm not too sure, i was thinking of selling them cuz i'm not gonna be racing anymore. the jacket is a "small" and the pants are about a 28 in US mens pants, solid black, a little old, and nothing fancy, but better than nothin.

[Supercharged]

yea i got a girls leather jacket lolololol, its so small but hey it wouldve saved me when i did my 60 mph run

[briansX19haulsass]

Well I got all the safty stuff taken car of now. I got a helmet and a motorcycle jacket.

Anyone with suggetions on motor power or realility?

[FiveStarSky]

power and reliabilty is something you cant have both of, take any real race bike, they go through top ends like crazy, they could tone down the motor, and make it more reliable, but for them, being a few seconds quicker is worth a top end rebuild after the race.

if you want power and reliability, and hit 100, you need a bigger base motor, not trying to get every .0001 hp you can out of the one you have.

and before you do this, i recomend you should get on a big bike doing 100+, just so you know what your up agaisnt.

[Niusiic[latvia]]

5*, being on smaller is pretty big difference like being on big bike

[briansX19haulsass]

ya I know its a huge difference

[X7rocks]

there is no difference a motor is a motor.

and honestly i doubt 100 mph.becuase your not gonna be running the right gearing for it let alone just hit 80 mph at best. GPS varified

[FiveStarSky]

well, a 1:1 bike is not 100&#37; stable at 100mph, and i doubt a mid would be a smooth ride.

[briansX19haulsass]

how I am not running the right gearing 17 or 18 front and 22 in the back

http://www.sdscooters.com/tech/MIDBike_Sprocket_Speed_Chart.html

[X7rocks]

first off you cant make a grid of speeds when only one person has made it above 100 let alone 85 and prove it

second its exactly like i was telling you, you need to gear it for the engines power not from a grid that makes no sense ( to me it doesnt cuase what in the hell are poeple gonna think when a 110 has thsoe gearings)

actually now that i think about thats a perfect way to explain it

your trying to make your rev band while in a gear strong enough that you can hit all of the engines power and beileve it or not brian some of these motors have small flat spots in there powerband/powerange its not as drastic as a two stroke that it can leave you behind the flock becuase you cant hit it

anyhow you need to gear so you dont lose top speed you will top out higher with a 15 front 28 rear than if you put a 18 front 22 rear in other words

why? cuase you have power to go through in each gear with the 18 front 22 rear it will also have you reving higher then you willwith said higher gear ratio...

its like on my zuma..i got 5.5 weights on with a big bore some guys will say get heavier weights ( your case) but i need to go lighter on the weights ( so i can reach that extra rpm bit and hit my powerband) which makes me get back to the 2 stroke needing every bit of rpm it can get.

same goes for the 4 strokes. my gearing was horrible for sandyhook because really? i lost most of my rpms at high 3rd gear and if i got into 4th im a goner.

[briansX19haulsass]

I know kenny I got you. Thats why I have many fornt sprockets to work with here. 14,15,17,18 to all experament with you know.

My 140 had some diffuculty pulling 17/22

So thats why I am going to be running a 160cc bore kit tb300 cam and bvh head and hell I am even running a 15/22 with that. Dont worry I think my motor can handle that dude.

[FiveStarSky]

1Q, have you even sent your motor off to get the bbk and all that on there?

[X7rocks]

from thinking to knowing you need to be sure not quessing

[Niusiic[latvia]]

there is no difference a motor is a motor.

I'm not talking about motor, I'm talking about sitting, wobbling etc

[briansX19haulsass]

1Q, have you even sent your motor off to get the bbk and all that on there?

Ya vince has it as we speak and is instaled everthing except the tb300 cam. He has to order a couple more...

[briansX19haulsass]

from thinking to knowing you need to be sure not quessing

Ya I know. I will be testing out all the gears and I am sure I will call you up to ask you a question or just tell you how its all coming like alwas...hahahabluelaugh

[FiveStarSky]

i think the biggest problem your gonna have whenever you get your motor back is getting the carb dialed in right (unless the guy does that for you?) proper tuning will make or break your speed run.

[Supercharged]

you guys do 100mph

with these bikes i like acceling more than all out top speed, when i get another bike im going to do 0-60's. i would not like 80 or 100 on an x18 i dont care whose it is, maybe the phoenix or whatever that other 125cc bigger version of our bikes are then yeah but any smaller were too too close to the ground.

i know pocketbike polini's roll 50-60 but for a minute on a straight is what you get (if you race which if you own a polini you probobly do right?), your mostly in corners accelling not pind wownd out...basically comes down to you wanna crash fast in a corner or while on a straight?

[swheels]

If something is gonna happen,it's gonna happen. No matter the size or machine. When i hit over 70mph it didn't feel like i was going that fast at all. If your running on them stock tire at those speeds or even at 50mph.If you got a bad set then your gonna feel all kinds of vibrations.This will definitly shatter your confidence in your machine.
My theory in this case still remains the same.I just woldn't do it on stock tires.thumbsup2

[RomanianRacer]

If something is gonna happen,it's gonna happen. No matter the size or machine. When i hit over 70mph it didn't feel like i was going that fast at all. If your running on them stock tire at those speeds or even at 50mph.If you got a bad set then your gonna feel all kinds of vibrations.This will definitly shatter your confidence in your machine.
My theory in this case still remains the same.I just woldn't do it on stock tires.thumbsup2

stock suspension either! hit a small pothole going that fast and your gonna be flying farther than your bike.

[briansX19haulsass]

I have heard that several times and just ordered a maxxis 130/70/10 rear tire

So thats good and all for the vibration. I totally agree wtih Swheels because when I ran stock tires and would get passed 65-70 it really made me uncomfortable at high speeds. I think the maxxis was a good buy.thumbsup2

[briansX19haulsass]

i think the biggest problem your gonna have whenever you get your motor back is getting the carb dialed in right (unless the guy does that for you?) proper tuning will make or break your speed run.

Vince is doing it for me I sent my 26mm OKO carb with the motor with all the jets and everthing and he is doing that for me to.

[briansX19haulsass]

BTW do you guys think I should run a 28mm carb with my new setup. I know it can handle it but just want to know if it makes any difference speed wise over my OKO? Thanks...

[RomanianRacer]

BTW do you guys think I should run a 28mm carb with my new setup. I know it can handle it but just want to know if it makes any difference speed wise over my OKO? Thanks...

is it a vm28 flatside carb? It might help in performance, I heard it's a pain in the a$$ to jet correctly.

[X7rocks]

brian...

keep it simple run the 26 so you still have velocity to have the torgue to burn through your gears since you want to be "fast"
bolt on can get you to so much but your gonna need custom shit

[briansX19haulsass]

speaking of gears I am proablay getting a 6 plate clutch with heavy duty springs to prevent slipping in due time.

And ok kenny I guess I will stick with the 26mm.

[Monster_Bike1780]

yea i hit a manhole before and got some air and didnt want it, and had sum violent tank slappers and almost wipped out and almost laid the bike down.

[briansX19haulsass]

No not that kinda of slipping like the slipping of the tranney in your engine due to increase of power in the motor. hahahahahabluelaugh

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

i havent had any problems out of the 5 plate setup
and when i did my top end run my bike was very stable, it felt like i could have went alot faster
now that i have a legal bike im gonna hit 100 eventually

[briansX19haulsass]

Ya there you go guys at least I am not the only one crazy enough to try it.

Do you think my clutch will hold up to my setup I am guesssing my is gonna be 1hp stronger then yours or so. We are running everything the same excepet the bore sizes. I ll trust you on this one.

[briansX19haulsass]

And what else do you think I should do to the motor to do either make more HP/or make more realiable thats the too ideas I will take either about.....

[FiveStarSky]

if you want to go fast you need power, do you see drag racers and salt flat racers talk about how reliable their motors are? they run em till they blow, then re-build them.

if you want a reliable motor, then dont plan on pushing the motor to its limits.

[briansX19haulsass]

ya well I am just asking to see if there is any tips or tricks or parts you know.
any little thing helps.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

well i would worry about the head gasket on the 160 kit, if it gave out at 90+ that wouldnt be good cuz oil comes out.....alot, i know, i blew up a 114 kit
that why i stayed with the 146
ill build my 150 or 160 if i want more ccs
an irk will help the motor hit a higher rpm which will in turn will make more power

[briansX19haulsass]

I already have a IRK any other suggestions? Do you think I should run a 28mm on her?

[The Nutty Professor]

Reading through this it reminded me to tell you something. Take the time to have your tires and rims balanced. The higher the speed the more you need to have them right. Blitz am I right or wrong on that one? When I mounted my slicks I balanced them and was surprised at how far out they were.

[BLACKEDOUTX19]

brian my friend can get you a garmin with a speedometer for 50 bucks?

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

brian, i dont think a 28 rear will do 100, i might be wrong but i think the limit on that is 90s no matter what motor you have, it has to do with the rpm limit, so that is why i said a 22 will do 100 because once you get THAT gear to say 9-10k rpm, you should be flying
nutty, the problem is these tires are bias ply, that means they settle and are not consistent like radials
try this, mark where your weight is so you can put it back, then go ride the bike for 20-30 min, while the tire is hot balance it, it should be different because the tire has 'formed' a circle, and after its been sitting it will 'settle' and the balance will again be off
thats why i never bothered to balance mine
but at high speed, you would want as balanced as you can get
but like i said mine was very smooth at 73+, wind is the bigger concern
ive been blown half a lane over in a second, so be wary of that

[briansX19haulsass]

brian my friend can get you a garmin with a speedometer for 50 bucks?

Ok sweet I might have to check it out and proably snatch it from him for that price...

[briansX19haulsass]

brian, i dont think a 28 rear will do 100, i might be wrong but i think the limit on that is 90s no matter what motor you have, it has to do with the rpm limit, so that is why i said a 22 will do 100 because once you get THAT gear to say 9-10k rpm, you should be flying
nutty, the problem is these tires are bias ply, that means they settle and are not consistent like radials
try this, mark where your weight is so you can put it back, then go ride the bike for 20-30 min, while the tire is hot balance it, it should be different because the tire has 'formed' a circle, and after its been sitting it will 'settle' and the balance will again be off
thats why i never bothered to balance mine
but at high speed, you would want as balanced as you can get
but like i said mine was very smooth at 73+, wind is the bigger concern
ive been blown half a lane over in a second, so be wary of that

I never said I was running a 28??? I have a 22 on the bike now with 14/15/17/18 front sprockets to chose from. I might have to get my tires balanced then huh........rolleye0010

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

oh, my bad brian, i thought you said a 28 sprocket
well then yes on the 28 flatslide if your gonna run the race head with the 30mm intake valve, the vm26 i have is ok but the 28 should match up better
for safety run the 17 front sprocket and not the 18

[X7rocks]

a 17 is a bit much.
even with larger valves its just a lifan head with .well larger valves there are other factors to help in power but i think he should start with a 15 and go up until his most cant climb in power anymore.

[briansX19haulsass]

Ya i got you guys. I just want to ump this gap and be over with it and git it out of my head. I am going to have to wait a while thugh proably till march or april..... I see it as more time to inspect everthing for safety and modify the motor more than it is right now though you know.

Any other more/or realiablity tips and tricks would be much appreciated though....thumbsup2

[Niusiic[latvia]]

Super extra mega light crank?

[RomanianRacer]

won't that reduce torque? It might help with the revs, but with this kind of gearing isn't he gonna need torque?

[swheels]

even with larger valves its just a lifan head with .well larger valves .Come on X7rocks.wave_finger Even you know theres more to this lifan head than just bigger valves. Just incase le's do the math. Bigger valves+bigger ports+ better flow= more horshpower. You no this MAANNNNN!!!!!! that 27/23 head is a thing of the pass.Blitz can back me up on this one.All around better!thumbsup2

[X7rocks]

true =P
does it come with a certain camshaft? but when i ment more to it then larger valves i ment items like valve springs port designs combustion chamber design and so forth

just little stuff that seems to add to a much bigger bang in performance.

[briansX19haulsass]

Ya it is deside to run the TB300 cam. And I hear the 27/23 head is still a pretty good head but the race is forsure better then the stock bvhthumbsup2

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

the race head is 30/23.5 with ports close to that size
the zong head i had 27/23 was nice but the exhaust was small
the racehead made my old exhaust too small and i had to get a bigger one to handle the extra flow
also the tb racehead comes pretty cleaned up
the lifan bvh and the tb racehead both take the tb300 cam
the race head takes a special piston too thats why i got the whole kit
it really made the front wanna lift
sadly i stayed so high in rpm at vir (havin too much fun) that the ex tappet came loose and bent the ex valve :(
still waiting on a replacement head
the race head is for high rpm use, thats when its breathing chars come into play

[swheels]

the race head is 30/23.5 with ports close to that size
the zong head i had 27/23 was nice but the exhaust was small
the racehead made my old exhaust too small and i had to get a bigger one to handle the extra flow
also the tb racehead comes pretty cleaned up
the lifan bvh and the tb racehead both take the tb300 cam
the race head takes a special piston too thats why i got the whole kit
it really made the front wanna lift
sadly i stayed so high in rpm at vir (havin too much fun) that the ex tappet came loose and bent the ex valve :(
still waiting on a replacement head
the race head is for high rpm use, thats when its breathing chars come into playBut i better over all improvement from hwat i'veseen with your bike Blitz.:yup:

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

oh ya its worth the extra 100, too bad its not roller

[briansX19haulsass]

Ya so you think I really should go with the race head and not just a ported and polished bvh head? Is it really worth 209 bucks?

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

well its up to you to decide
try the lifan first if you like, you can always sell it if you get the race head, they use the same cam
but for high speed, high rev, yes

[X7rocks]

thanks for the reply on the differences blitz thats what i was really looking into as far as the difference in not just the valves but the overall head

[briansX19haulsass]

Ok well I will try the bvh ported and polished but I will try to get my hands on a race head for sure.

What do you guys think about the 6 plate clutch with the heavy duty springs wont that prevent slipping over time? Thats realiable huh... what you guys think?

[FiveStarSky]

not really, clutches need to be replaced every so often anyway, the 6 may last a little longer, but will still need to be replaced eventually.

[briansX19haulsass]

rock2Ya but if makes it last longer count me in you know.

Anything wlse about 6 plate clutch or any other parts or mods I can do?

[swheels]

Ok well I will try the bvh ported and polished but I will try to get my hands on a race head for sure.

What do you guys think about the 6 plate clutch with the heavy duty springs wont that prevent slipping over time? Thats realiable huh... what you guys think?They will be great for what your doing. Infact they more than likely will last a very long time.So don't worry you'll be fine.thumbsup2 Just learn how to install them properly.

[briansX19haulsass]

Oh ya so got get me some of those too!thumbsup2

I got to make a list of shit I want and need

Tell me what you guys think I should add or delete:

Need
Maxxis rear tire (Iam flat)
clutch springs and plates (I have to I am not taken a risk)

Want
Race head
28mm carb
New grips
Vapor Tech/Gps/speedometer
New Oil cooler


Well tell me what I should add or take off!

(Ill just keep editing this one I guess)

[X7rocks]

you need to get a badass 28mm carburator but there kinda pricey above 200 dollars
shoulda grabbed my keihin while i had it.

[schofell84]

its probably going to take about 20 hp to hit 100mph. just think about that.

ninja 250r-98mph. 29hp stock (correct me if im wrong)

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

but the 250 ninja has a way bigger wind profile, and only has a 41mm stroke which equals no torque at high speed
and 20hp is no longer a problem

[briansX19haulsass]

you need to get a badass 28mm carburator but there kinda pricey above 200 dollars
shoulda grabbed my keihin while i had it.

Ya I should of... but you know me if I get something I do it big. SO I would getg like a flat side keihen I guessthumbsup2

[briansX19haulsass]

its probably going to take about 20 hp to hit 100mph. just think about that.

ninja 250r-98mph. 29hp stock (correct me if im wrong)

I am not so far from 20 hp anyway. Vince said if I run:

160cc big bore kit
Tb300 cam
Race head
28mm flatside carb
inner rotor kit
and big bore pipe

17 hp out of the motorspeechless33

Also the 250r has a bigger wind stop and not the same gear ratios I am running brah:yup:

[briansX19haulsass]

but the 250 ninja has a way bigger wind profile, and only has a 41mm stroke which equals no torque at high speed
and 20hp is no longer a problem

Thanks for backin me up on this one man!thumbsup2

[FiveStarSky]

Ya I should of... but you know me if I get something I do it big. SO I would getg like a flat side keihen I guessthumbsup2

i'm assuming you meant a flat SLIDE
(sorry pet peave)

[FiveStarSky]

its probably going to take about 20 hp to hit 100mph. just think about that.

ninja 250r-98mph. 29hp stock (correct me if im wrong)

its all power to weight ratio

[X7rocks]

actually...the ninja 250s have more then 20 wasnt it 27 stock

fivestar can help me on that
and its a duel cylinder engine

[FiveStarSky]

actually...the ninja 250s have more then 20 wasnt it 27 stock

fivestar can help me on that
and its a duel cylinder engine

yeah, it depends on what model your talking about, the newer ones 08 and up put out a little more horses, but are slower and top out around 105ish and are a little heavier, the older ones could do about 115 (both stock bikes), and yeah 2X hp on something that weighs 350 (random guess) pounds is not alot, 20hp on a bike that weights 150-175ish can give you some nice kick.

[briansX19haulsass]

ya so
350=27
150=17

If you do the math I come out on top.moon1

[X7rocks]

i dont remember haveing a hard time lifting a 250 =/
my zuma felt alote heavier the zuma is around 275 pounds i think its a fatass scooter!

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

Manufacturer Kawasaki
Model Year 2010
Model Ninja® 250R
MSRP $4,299.00*
ENGINE
Engine 4-stroke, DOHC, parallel twin
Displacement 249 cc
Bore x Stroke 62 x 41.2 mm
Compression Ratio 11.6:1
Carburetion (2) Keihin CVK30
Cooling Liquid
Ignition Digital
DIMENSIONS
Length 82.1 in.
Width 28.1 in.
Height 43.7 in.
Weight Curb: 374.9 lbs.
Wheelbase 55.1 in.
Fuel Capacity 4.8 gal.
Seat Height 30.5 in.
DRIVETRAIN
Transmission 6-speed
Final Drive O-ring chain
Suspension Front: 37 mm hydraulic telescopic fork; 4.7 in. travel
Rear: Bottom-link Uni-Trak® with 5-way adjustable preload; 5.1 in. travel
rolleye0010
the mid is way lighter, and sleeker
the 250 has a 6speed tho and can rev higher
id like to see that race

[X7rocks]

from personal experiance...a modded GPX feels like it has more torgue but the 250 is faster :dunno:

the 500 really feels alote quicker but then the 650 is a whole lot more fun :D

[briansX19haulsass]

Ya my biek verus a 2010 kawaski 250r. It would be a good race I guess.

My bike would have the power to height racio killed though its

8.823lbs/1hp Mid (150lbs with a 17hp motor)
compared to
12.962lbs/1hp Kawaski (350lbs with a 27hp motor)

Plus I am a pretty light guy 130lbs. maybe 125lbs on a good day.

[X7rocks]

probably from eating to much mickeyDs fatass :D

[briansX19haulsass]

the mid is way lighter, and sleeker
the 250 has a 6speed tho and can rev higher
id like to see that race

It can rev pretty high but the inner rotor kit can make a motor rev pretty god dam high hahaha. I hit 11,000 rpms on my tach when I held in the clutch. Thats ripping for a single cylinder motor.

[X7rocks]

i think those 250s rev to 14 stock..maybe higher idk

[briansX19haulsass]

HOLY SHIT! its only 3,000 more rpms on a machine that killed it at power to weigh racio.

But ya I know 3000 rpms is alot.....

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

its the short stroke that let it rev so high, the built mid motors have a 57mm and it just cant hit those high revs without alot of extra money

[briansX19haulsass]

My 160cc is acuatlly a 60 mm the 146 is a 57 mm.

i bet it would take alot of extra money for sure.

Here is another question for you guys. How about of the lightened oil slinger. #1 what does it do? more torque? high rpms? #2 would it be the right mod for what I am trying to do? #3 will it bring down realiablity conserably?

Thanks for answers all my questions guys.thumbsup2

[Supercharged]

anything that you lighten up that runs off or on the crank has rotational mass that can slow your bike down....

hence a IRK, lightened oil slinger, and a lightened flywheel is dropping WEIGHT in which allows the crank to rev up and down quicker....

so it probobly uses less energy to move the oil slinger, maybe revs quicker if other mods combined, and it should with other lightened parts make you go faster

and i dont think it should comprimise the intergrity of your motor, any weight you can shear off is great....

now are you going to gain 10 mph, no but with other lightened parts dealing with the crank and everything sure youll be faster....it is just like my car.

its not N/A, its got twin screws mashing air into the cylinders...the only way to go faster is to free up your air which includes, rockers, cam, headers, exhaust, and port and polished heads, LIM, or supercharger.

if you spin a stock supercharger any faster youll pull timing and just be slower than a stock regal gs, so if i get 1.8 rockers with headers, downpipe, and exhaust then i can drop down S/C pulley sizes....same thing for being turbo, you need to free up all the air you can before you can raise from the stock PSI/boost level.

free up air mods to go faster, 1 mod wont help until a multiple of air freeing mods are done...does anyone understand what im saying...you get KR with cars and overboosting which pulls timing...but if you mod to free air moving thru then you can push more air in.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

My 160cc is acuatlly a 60 mm the 146 is a 57 mm.

i bet it would take alot of extra money for sure.

Here is another question for you guys. How about of the lightened oil slinger. #1 what does it do? more torque? high rpms? #2 would it be the right mod for what I am trying to do? #3 will it bring down realiablity conserably?

Thanks for answers all my questions guys.thumbsup2

i was talking about stroke which the 146 motor and the 160 hybrid share the 57mm stroke
you have a 60mm piston for the 160 kit
dont worry about the oil slinger, if anything get the steel one, but the 125 block motors didnt really have any issues with the slingers
1 more rpm, less torque
2 nah, see 3
3 yea, maybe

[briansX19haulsass]

Ya I got ya supercharged so It will bring my rpms up.... hmmmm....Guess we go to add something to the wish list huh.

I can wait to see this monster of a motor huh guys? Gonna be alot faser than before. I will make lots of build vids and pics.

I have to add up all the prices on the wish list gulp..rolleye0010

[briansX19haulsass]

What you talking about Blitz? WHat do you think I should or I shouldnt? Will it give me more RPMs but less torque? If so do I get alot of rpms to alittle torque or a few RPMs to alot of torque? HELP me out here man!

[Supercharged]

if you want to go 100mph then go all out on that motor.....if you got the funds then hey do the damn thing, dont listen to us your already half way there....you had an idea of what you wanted, i wouldnt ask us what to do or not to

you want 100mph then invest in a steering stablizer, i went 60 on my x18 and i was scared.....not after i got that gsxr stablizer on tho!

[briansX19haulsass]

Ya I think I might have to snag one of those huh.

And I know I want to really do this thing and get it done but I just dont want to regret somethng you know. Thats why I keep asking about realiablity.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

lol super you crazy_smilie
brian, i can just tell you what i would do
i rock what i got till i find its limit
the clutch/oil area of the 125 block motors are solid, and i think it will handle 100 for a test run
im not sold on the 6 disc clutch because they still have to fit in the same space so the 6 discs will be thinner to account for the space and that to me means weaker, maybe im wrong :dunno: at 100mph i dont wanna wonder how those new thinner discs are doing
same thing on the slinger, i saw a steel made one, no chance of that breaking at any speed
and anyway i already told you that the 160 kit for the 125 block motors scare me reliability wise
but again its just what i would do and im a little paranoid about parts after ive been threw so many
im not a risk taker like Swheels (no offense bro) i just prefer to be on the proven track

[Supercharged]

lol super you crazy_smilie
brian, i can just tell you what i would do
i rock what i got till i find its limit
the clutch/oil area of the 125 block motors are solid, and i think it will handle 100 for a test run
im not sold on the 6 disc clutch because they still have to fit in the same space so the 6 discs will be thinner to account for the space and that to me means weaker, maybe im wrong :dunno: at 100mph i dont wanna wonder how those new thinner discs are doing
same thing on the slinger, i saw a steel made one, no chance of that breaking at any speed
and anyway i already told you that the 160 kit for the 125 block motors scare me reliability wise
but again its just what i would do and im a little paranoid about parts after ive been threw so many
im not a risk taker like Swheels (no offense bro) i just prefer to be on the proven track


why am i crazy_smilie blitz????

[Supercharged]

cuz im smart ay esay?

[briansX19haulsass]

Here like this one Blitz. It is steel
http://www.tboltusa.com/store/hrc-steel-oil-slinger-p-884.html?osCsid=96b782c68bb94120d0f88928d739eaa6

And here is the clutch kit I am getting for her.
http://www.tboltusa.com/store/yx-gpx-zs-plate-clutch-kitbrwith-springs-p-772.html?osCsid=96b782c68bb94120d0f88928d739eaa6

I know that Oil slinger will hold up in my motor huh Blitz but tell me more about the clutch kit brah?thinking_smilie

[Supercharged]

becuz i speek trufiss out the moufiss?

[briansX19haulsass]

Did you see them Blitz? or anyone? what do you all think?

[swheels]

The plates are a little thinner but they are packed tighter.If you get the kit it coms with heavier duty springs.thumbsup2

[Supercharged]

get em....i would if this is your goal?

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

super, jp man
brian, ya that looks ok, let us know how it is
not completely sure the steel slinger will go in your 140 tho, it should
S, ya if i get that, im getting the billet basket and all

[briansX19haulsass]

Ya ok I will get the cltuch but what about that steel oil slinger?

[Supercharged]

lol, i know blitz...you da crazy one who run this site!!!

[briansX19haulsass]

What is so special about the WHOLE billet basket.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

it lighter stronger and its BILLET!!!! lol

[Supercharged]

thats basically it....

[briansX19haulsass]

Ok I got ya. So:
6 plate clutch: Yes
Oil slinger steel:? You guys still didnt tell me is it worth it and will I lose alot of torque?

[RomanianRacer]

damn brian, how much money are you gonna throw into your bike?? You should be racing, you got the ride, just work on practicing and you could be good.

Or buy a car and start drifting, drifting is the new drag IMO.

[briansX19haulsass]

Ya I would race in a heart beat believe me. WHen I do get a car it will make a few trips to virginia to meet up with all the guys swheels blitz hell I will even stop at Kennys house on the way haha

And I am sure sinking alot of money into this sucker but I am not worried about it all being for nothing, this is a joyful thing for me and like spending money to make my bike faster and faster but just dont want it to break on me thats why realiablity has to set in at some point.thumbsup2

[Monster_Bike1780]

hey i got a quick question i dont mean to hijack your thread, but would this aftermarket supsension work with my bike??

http://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/552734/

[K-Pac]

Or buy a car and start drifting, drifting is the new drag IMO.

Drifting is amazing! Except buying new tires sucks.. :jacked:

[briansX19haulsass]

yes it will monster. Come on guys still need more suggestions...

[K-Pac]

yes it will monster. Come on guys still need more suggestions...

Head breather kit?

[briansX19haulsass]

already got it something else kpac?

[K-Pac]

lightened flywheel? bored out case?

http://www.ahpminis.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=40&products_id=219
http://www.ahpminis.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=40&products_id=120

[briansX19haulsass]

I have a inner rotor kit already and why would I need case boring?

[RomanianRacer]

high compression piston, octane booster.


SOME NOS!!! You got the stickers, get a kit since you throwing so much into the thing, turbocharge it.

[briansX19haulsass]

I could do octane booster I guess. Will it make much of a difference of anything?

[Monster_Bike1780]

not till you hit that pretty little red buttonbluelaugh

[briansX19haulsass]

No not NOSwave_finger I am not going to be running NOS on a engine whos head gasket is really thin and could blow without NOSthumb_down. I was talking about octane booster the stuff you put in your gas tank and rases your octane number. Will that make much of a difference?

[Monster_Bike1780]

in my opinion, it may just burn cleaner, that may produce sum power, but thats all i could think of on octane booster.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

you wont need anything better than 93 octane

[Monster_Bike1780]

i agree with blitz, anything past 93 octane, and its just a waste of money

[briansX19haulsass]

Ok ya thats what I thought thats why I wa like huh...

Well I think I am going to pick up this in the next day or so...

http://www.tboltusa.com/store/yx-gpx-zs-plate-clutch-kitbrwith-springs-p-772.html?osCsid=ed0b8d8f14ea494b2ec748af236a302d

What do you guys think?

[X7rocks]

why not just go the whole way since you want to go faster...

[briansX19haulsass]

I dont want to pay extra ever time I fill up you know.

[FiveStarSky]

No not NOSwave_finger I am not going to be running NOS on a engine whos head gasket is really thin and could blow without NOSthumb_down.

Then take the sticker off!

[briansX19haulsass]

It is I will show you guys how the new paint looks and stickers in a video. I did a few more strips and new stickers.

[swheels]

This is why i love racing on a track.(road course) You'll will definitly find out how fast you are. Buzzing around in the streets and chasing cars ain't gonna cut it. You need to get to a track even if it's a drag race track.

But road course racing is the ultimate test and proving ground.Thats where you'll find out for sure what works and what don't.thumbsup2thumbsup2

But if you plan to hit up onroad track then you better focus on the other parts of the bike and practice.Cuz if you go to sandyhook there will be guys on 110's that's gonna go around ya.Like you were pedaling your bike around the track.speechless33
The Vir track in Va,don't think there will be any races held there next year.1 they charged to much for the last event.2 There are atleast 3 tracks that are far better now.So Vir is pretty much all washed up for the little bikes racing there.

[briansX19haulsass]

Ya I dont plan on racing anytime soon though. SO... I would come down and bring my bike with me to show you guys and take a run or tow around the track you know... I know my bike is not a race bike by any means. It has the motor to do it but not the gears or suspesion to.

I just like tearing up the street. It is awesome when you can pull up to a car and give it a run for its money if not beat it. Also it is allittle bit of a rush knowing the kinda trouble you could get in if you get caught and running isnt that bad of a adreline rush either hahahahthumbsup2

[swheels]

Ya I dont plan on racing anytime soon though. SO... I would come down and bring my bike with me to show you guys and take a run or tow around the track you know... I know my bike is not a race bike by any means. It has the motor to do it but not the gears or suspesion to.

I just like tearing up the street. It is awesome when you can pull up to a car and give it a run for its money if not beat it. Also it is allittle bit of a rush knowing the kinda trouble you could get in if you get caught and running isnt that bad of a adreline rush either hahahahthumbsup2It's all good until thecops get sick and tired of chasing you.Then they impound or worst you get hit by a car.Then all your hard work and money is gone in a matter of seconds.Not to mention the hospital bills if your injuries are real serious.speechless33 Then your parents will be stuck to foot the bills. That's when the reality sets in LOL when it's to late.bluelaugh

Oh not to mention it's one of the main reasons why these xbike are being band or being made harder to make them street legal.

[RomanianRacer]

It's all good until thecops get sick and tired of chasing you.Then they impound or worst you get hit by a car.Then all your hard work and money is gone in a matter of seconds.Not to mention the hospital bills if your injuries are real serious.speechless33 Then your parents will be stuck to foot the bills. That's when the reality sets in LOL when it's to late.bluelaugh

Oh not to mention it's one of the main reasons why these xbike are being band or being made harder to make them street legal.

your not going to be safer on a bigger bike, when a car hits you! The speed of the mids don't even come close to a full size bike's speed. Imagine low siding at 140mph, talk about road rash lol. Now the big bikes do have steering stabilizers and traction control that keep them safer than riding a mid.

[FiveStarSky]

yeah, every single time i've been out on my uncles triumph, i've had a car pull out in front of me. i've also had people be right on my ass even when i'm doing 90+, i spin around on the seat, stare at the guy, and usually give him my favorite salute...

pretty much everytime i see a car now, i expect it to want to kill me.

although all the cops i see have been very friendly, probably cuz i'm not on a sport bike or a harley.

[swheels]

your not going to be safer on a bigger bike, when a car hits you! The speed of the mids don't even come close to a full size bike's speed. Imagine low siding at 140mph, talk about road rash lol. Now the big bikes do have steering stabilizers and traction control that keep them safer than riding a mid. You just validated my point!bluelaughmoon1 and fivestar.


Becuase the mids are much smaller and lower to the ground.How much would the visibility percentage be if someone is driving an suv and your in front of them on a mid????????? Plus if you lowside a fullsize bike at 140mph on a public street then that would make that person and idiot and they'd get what they deserved.thumbsup2 Either way he stands a better chance being safe on a track than in the streets.thumbsup2

[briansX19haulsass]

I know but there are no tracks around me. I think I might have found like 3 guys who race in parking lots about 1 hour away from me, So thats good, but for the most part I just gotta keep riding street......rolleye0010

If you want to help me find some other tracks help me out there too guys...

[Monster_Bike1780]

I know reid used to do the samething brian does but here it goes, *Reid grabs brians hand slaps it* NO brian. Go to a local parking or what not, a school parking lot, a run down building parking lot, whatever has a lot. *Not your local Mcdonalds either lol*

[briansX19haulsass]

Ya I try to stay in parking lots for the most part but need a lnog straight away to open it up and really race around.

[Monster_Bike1780]

naw you really dont, trust me, where me and "S" practice at there not too much real acceleration, you can actually watch the video of "The Lot", check out my youtube account *Solidsnake1780*

[briansX19haulsass]

Ya but I like the long straight if I accept to hit such high speeds I cant do it in a parking lot. Dont worry this thread isnt about where I should ride just how I can get the bike to hit a higher top speed

BTW clutch is going to be a stell plate added in by Vince he said it is just as good as the $$$ dollar kits. It just gives it alot more extra strength.

I am still debating if I should go with the Oil slinger, 28mm carb, and Race Head. Tell me what you guys think.

[Monster_Bike1780]

thats a huge carb, and thats alot of gas to go through, but appearantly you got the money to pay for gas if you got the money to buy all these parts

[briansX19haulsass]

Ya I guess I just know my motor could handle the 28mm so.... Maybe if I am going for top speed

[Monster_Bike1780]

hey what carb do you got on there now??

[briansX19haulsass]

A OKO 26mm

[Monster_Bike1780]

if you get that 28, would you sell me that carb??

[briansX19haulsass]

Ya sure but I got to deside if I want a 28mm P.M. how much you would give me for it it sells new for 144 but it has about 15 hours on it. send me your pricethumbsup2

[cutlasskel]

Either way he stands a better chance being safe on a track than in the streets.

Eggzachary! I agree completely with this.

I have never, ever, had a car or truck come out of nowhere or turn left in front of me on the track. I have also crashed (more than I like to admit, on big and little bikes) on the track, and have never had to worry about sliding into a curb or a parked car or whatever other obstacle.
I won't even get into how there are tech and safety gear inspections at the track.... things are checked that we sometimes forget or take for granted when we ride on the street.

[briansX19haulsass]

Again this thread is for you guys to post up parts and ideas to get my bike running faster or more realiable either or.thumbsup2

Not to tell me I dont ride in the right area. I know I dont.rolleye0010

[briansX19haulsass]

Well look at what I just ordered for the bike.

http://www.newenoughhp.com/parts/tires/maxxis/m6029_scooter_tires.html

130/70-10

This will make a good addition onto the bike better suited for faster turns and speeds:yup:

[FiveStarSky]

yeah those tires are nice, i had one as a rear on my 15, and using one now as a front on my ysr, only complaint it they are pretty soft for a street tire, but cornering grip is pretty dang good.

[briansX19haulsass]

really but I hear they last a HELL of alot longer... They are thicker with more thread right? thats why they last?

[FiveStarSky]

compared to stock tires yes, stock tires are 2ply, and these are 4.

[briansX19haulsass]

so these have double the life as stock??? NICE!

[FiveStarSky]

i wouldnt say double, but if you are easy on them then they should last you a good while.

[briansX19haulsass]

well thats good. I would alwas try to be easy on the stocks but in about 1.5-2 mounths NO thread!!!!!

[X7rocks]

pirelli sl26 tires are nice aswell but gotta see if they have them for the size of a xbike

[swheels]

Again this thread is for you guys to post up parts and ideas to get my bike running faster or more realiable either or.thumbsup2

Not to tell me I dont ride in the right area. I know I dont.rolleye0010

Sounds good but when that azz get splattered by a car.Can't say i'll drop a tear for ya buddy.thumb_down but good luck though.

[Monster_Bike1780]

yea that is the same maxxi i got for my rear tire

[FiveStarSky]

Sounds good but when that azz get splattered by a car.Can't say i'll drop a tear for ya buddy.thumb_down but good luck though.

yeah, i'd hate to see this thread end with "in rememberance of brian"

[X7rocks]

true.

[briansX19haulsass]

hahahahha ya I would too.

So is this tire hard to get on? I bring it to Midas and they let me use their machine. It is usually hard enough getting the stock ones on. How much hard is this one gonna be?

To people who run this tire a few questions:

Does it handle turns and speeds alot better?

Does it hold tread alot longer then stock does?

Thanks guys.

[Supercharged]

got a steering stablizer?

[Monster_Bike1780]

from what ive been told this is the best combo 1 of the 2 tires for your first set of tires, and least expensive, ive been told they are really good street tire

[FiveStarSky]

cornering is great, when i put fresh tires on my ysr i was riding the edge of my rim and was super smooth and stable, could even drag my hand across the ground while i was doing it. and imo i like the U shaped tires better than the V shaped ones, less cornering traction, but smoother while leaning into corners.

[briansX19haulsass]

got a steering stablizer?

no but I am open to get a cheap one...

[FiveStarSky]

yeah, i would say a steering stabiliser would really help. i'm not sure if the cheap ones actually do anything or are adjustable, but high speed tank slapper is gonna put you on your ass.

[briansX19haulsass]

ok then show me a decently priced one....

[FiveStarSky]

bpu has some that are supposivly bolt right on, and if you want a good one, you are gonna have to make custom mounts to mount it up, and good ones are not cheap. i think nutty p. has one on his bike, so you should send him a pm and see what he is running. but from everything else i've seen, its probably something he modded and adapted to fit.

they may be adjustable, but i have a sneaky susp. that they are just a single variable, probably just have a rubber wrap around on the inside to minimise free play. which, would work, but nothing like your gonna see that come with big bikes.

i may be completely wrong, but i would think if they were fully adjustable, more people would be using them.

[Niusiic[latvia]]

I might be wrong but supercharged didn't you had one?

[briansX19haulsass]

what is BPU? do you mean PBU

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

i raced on the rear maxxis
it sticks really good but i was able to slip it out in a off camber turn
the same tire is currently on my legal bike and has seen 70+ mph for miles and miles and it still has very good tread
ive never even come close to a tank slapper, so im not getting a steering stabilizer, you just hold on tight and watch the road in front of you for debris

[briansX19haulsass]

ya thats what I was planning on doing.

whats a tank slapper????

[X7rocks]

:ya thats what I was planning on doing.

whats a tank slapper????

:squid: :stretcher:

[briansX19haulsass]

got ya. Well if you guys could maybe tell me some sites that sell steering stabilizers that would b great.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ1srcQMa_0

[briansX19haulsass]

holy hell I have seen that alot now its been on tv a few times

[RomanianRacer]

yea tank slappers SUCK ASS!

Hey brian you ever try considering stretching the swinger before you do all this? It sounds to me as your turning your bike into a drag bike. The swinger stretched will provide more stability during high speeds,, but cornering sucks.

[FiveStarSky]

:

:squid: :stretcher:

+1


yeah, basically what your building is a drag bike to run 1 mile instead of 1/4 miles, stretched swinger would deff help you out.

[briansX19haulsass]

yes I have considered it many of times..... If I did it would only be 4 or 5 inches but idk yet if I should....:dunno:

[briansX19haulsass]

Update on Bike!

New electonics the silver one is the speedometer and a clock
the black one is the tactometer and a odmeter

[FiveStarSky]

I thought you had a vapor? oh well, if it works.

[briansX19haulsass]

LOTS OF UPDATES!!!!

Body has stipes and red pin striping in places DIFFERENT THEN AVATAR AND PREVIOUS PICTURES!!!

Carbon Fiber Pipe and Body stripes on gas tank and back section of bike!!!! It looks so sexy!

[briansX19haulsass]

Heres gas tank! Its not crooked its just the angle of the shot is weird since i have to hold it up above the bike will it is on a stand so I coldnt see straight....

[FiveStarSky]

watch that vinyl on the pipe, once this stuff gets hot it likes to stretch, and more than likely it will get hot, stretch out, then once the pipe cools down it will shrink and be all crinkled up.

you ought to try to wrap the seat with some type of yellow vinyl, and get some yellow grips.

[briansX19haulsass]

Oh and also you can see in this picture the stripe on the rear fender!

[briansX19haulsass]

When I get the motor back in a week or so I will put up pictures of that as well!

I am still taking suggestions on the bike for top speed and tell me how you think it looks!

I like these new colors alot more then the old white....

[briansX19haulsass]

watch that vinyl on the pipe, once this stuff gets hot it likes to stretch, and more than likely it will get hot, stretch out, then once the pipe cools down it will shrink and be all crinkled up.

you ought to try to wrap the seat with some type of yellow vinyl, and get some yellow grips.

Arent you pround of me... no more NOS stickers hahaha

[FiveStarSky]

Arent you pround of me... no more NOS stickers hahaha

:fool: who has a NOS sticka

[briansX19haulsass]

well my are gone so dont pitty memoon1

[FiveStarSky]

well my are gone so dont pitty memoon1

just trying to keep ya looking like a ricer

[briansX19haulsass]

paint job cam out nice huh? did it myself! Just layered it like 3 times and then put finishing coat on then sprayed on plastic proector and clear coated her...

[RomanianRacer]

paint job cam out nice huh? did it myself! Just layered it like 3 times and then put finishing coat on then sprayed on plastic proector and clear coated her...

idk, the body panels in the first pic, with the gsxr stickers look like they have paint streams that dried up running down them. It might just be the photo so idk. I think IMO the bike looked better in white. It looked beefier and bigger.