Project X12

[Pinto93]

Well Guys I just got home from a 3 hour round trip to go get the X12 I’ve been talking bout. It had the fairings off and wasn’t running. It was dark when I got to the guys house so I was very skeptical about it because I couldn’t see it. He said the fairing was in great condition and that the bike hasn’t run since he got it. Well I gave him $150 loaded it up and headed back home. Once I got it home I tried kicking it over, the engine turned over smoothly. I pulled the spark plug out and put a new China one I had laying around from when my 125 came in and checked to see if it was sparking. Good spark. So I tried to start it.....nothing. I kicked it over several times and it never showed the slightest effort to fire. Soooo I pulled the tank, flushed it out, pulled the carb and cleaned the bowl, jet, float, everything. After I sprayed her down real good I put the carb back on, sprayed sum starting fluid in her and gave her a kick.I noticed when I was giving it gas there was bo resistance in the throttle, some dumb ass put the throttle cable in backwards so you had to twist the throttle forwards to give it gas. LOL. So after I fixed that I kicked her over a couple more times. She fired right up!! Then died.... I didn’t have the gas to put in her. I'll get back at it tomorrow after I get off work. I’ll try to post sum pics tomorrow. This bike will end up being my race bike. So that means, new paint, engine, performance parts…


So I'm pretty happy...
X12 that doesn’t run-$150
Cheap ass Chinese spark plug-$.60
Carb cleaner-$2
Starting fluid-$3


Getting a great bike for a great price...Priceless!

Well not really, more like $155.60. But it's still awesome.



Alright, I thinking it's time to start building my engine. It's the Lifan 125. Is it gonna be worth the money to build it or do I need to sell it and get somthing else? I only have $188 into this motor and it's still brand new. I still havent broken it in yet. So let me know what u think. What's gonna be the best upgrades for this engine and what all fits it. Are parts interchangeable with the GPX?

O yea 24mm or 26mm carb?

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

get the biggest carb anyway
lifan is ok i like the gpx better
you can get a 141cc bbk for it, you already have a good head, get a hi lift cam, maybe a inner rotor kit

[Pinto93]

So the stock 125 Lifan head is the big valve head?


Do the IRK really help? I've always read to save the money.


Thanks Blitz!

Well guys I've been getting together some prices on parts for my engine and found another engine. A Lifan 140cc. It comes with oil cooler/lines,carb/filter,cdi,coil, and wire for $280-$300 shipped. What u think? Should I get it and sell my 125? Or just build the 125? I think I'll come out better by buying the 140 get a IRK and Pipe and be done for now. Then later BBK and such.


Your thoughts are greatly appreciated!
Thanks for all the feedback guys!!!!

[swanni06]

So the stock 125 Lifan head is the big valve head?


Do the IRK really help? I've always read to save the money.


Thanks Blitz!
Yup you got the bvh..27 -23 valves..yes the irk helps..it will make it rev like a 2trock2

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

ya lifan has a big valve head already
just get a cam for it

ya its up to 141 with his bbk
id pefer to build my own motor
and since you already got it...
cam, hi comp bbk, carb, exhaust
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[Pinto93]

Thanks for clearing that up for me guys. I wasnt really sure if there was another head with bigger valves. Will the IRK not be harder on the motor. I want most performance as possible while maintaining some reliability.

The way Doug is talking I would be better off building mine??? So idk, he is the one with the bad 125 Lifan

[kevin@holeshotz]

We have hte 141 kit and IRK available, in case you are interested. They are not to pricey at all.

[Pinto93]

Thanks Kev! Got link?

[Luigi@XMR]

Doug@XMR started with the same lifan motor you have and it's a 141cc monster now with every upgrade available lol. Me myself rode his bike and until this day it has been the fastest track PB I have rode. It will spin the tire out the corners. In my opinion it's a great set up. thumbsup2 You should really get in contact with Doug. (Plus dat over size kick ass pipe he can build really helps.)

[Pinto93]

Thanks Luigi... Talkin with Doug now.

Do all of u XMR guys got X12's...think I'm fixing to join u guys!

[swanni06]

Doug@XMR started with the same lifan motor you have and it's a 141cc monster now with every upgrade available lol. Me myself rode his bike and until this day it has been the fastest track PB I have rode. It will spin the tire out the corners. In my opinion it's a great set up. thumbsup2 You should really get in contact with Doug. (Plus dat over size kick ass pipe he can build really helps.)Did Doug get his off e-bay?
Is it all up shift or 1 down..3 up?

[Luigi@XMR]

Thanks Luigi... Talkin with Doug now.

Do all of u XMR guys got X12's...think I'm fixing to join u guys!

Most of us have X-12's. Bad for cruising but excellent for racing.

[Luigi@XMR]

Did Doug get his off e-bay?
Is it all up shift or 1 down..3 up?

No he did not get it from e-bay he got it from his supplier. And yes 1 down..3 up.

[Pinto93]

Most of us have X-12's. Bad for cruising but excellent for racing.

Why bad for cruising??

[Luigi@XMR]

Why bad for cruising??

The way the seat is position it's a lil hard in the crotch area bluelaugh, because the bike leans slightly forward. But for racing your always on the side of the bike with the knee on the ground and the bike leaning forward like that makes the front tire super glue and you can jam on the brakes in the turns.

[Pinto93]

O. Yea My X7 is super hard on the nuts! Specially with my big ass on it.

[Luigi@XMR]

O. Yea My X7 is super hard on the nuts! Specially with my big ass on it.

LMAO.......thumbsup2

[Pinto93]

Well Guys I just got home from a 3 hour round trip to go get the X12 I’ve been talking bout. It had the fairings off and wasn’t running. It was dark when I got to the guys house so I was very skeptical about it because I couldn’t see it. He said the fairing was in great condition and that the bike hasn’t run since he got it. Well I gave him $150 loaded it up and headed back home. Once I got it home I tried kicking it over, the engine turned over smoothly. I pulled the spark plug out and put a new China one I had laying around from when my 125 came in and checked to see if it was sparking. Good spark. So I tried to start it.....nothing. I kicked it over several times and it never showed the slightest effort to fire. Soooo I pulled the tank, flushed it out, pulled the carb and cleaned the bowl, jet, float, everything. After I sprayed her down real good I put the carb back on, sprayed sum starting fluid in her and gave her a kick.I noticed when I was giving it gas there was bo resistance in the throttle, some dumb ass put the throttle cable in backwards so you had to twist the throttle forwards to give it gas. LOL. So after I fixed that I kicked her over a couple more times. She fired right up!! Then died.... I didn’t have the gas to put in her. I'll get back at it tomorrow after I get off work. I’ll try to post sum pics tomorrow. This bike will end up being my race bike. So that means, new paint, engine, performance parts…


So I'm pretty happy...
X12 that doesn’t run-$150
Cheap ass Chinese spark plug-$.60
Carb cleaner-$2
Starting fluid-$3


Getting a great bike for a great price...Priceless!

Well not really, more like $155.60. But it's still awesome.

[stuntnx7]

good find right ther

[schofell84]

no crap. ive been lookin for a used x12 forever.

[Pinto93]

Thanks guys
Hopefully I will have pics soon!

[swanni06]

sweet dude! can`t wait to see some pics

[doug@xmr]

You started out with a super deal and your garunteed to finish with a super bike.

[mishka]

nice find man!thumbsup2
cant wait to see what your going to do with it!rock2

[Midbike Racer]

Great find! thumbsup2
I can't wait to see pics and watch you build it faster, stronger...

[Luigi@XMR]

That's a hell of a deal.thumbsup2 Congrats!

[Pinto93]

Well guys I've been getting together some prices on parts for my engine and found another engine. A Lifan 140cc. It comes with oil cooler/lines,carb/filter,cdi,coil, and wire for $280-$300 shipped. What u think? Should I get it and sell my 125? Or just build the 125? I think I'll come out better by buying the 140 get a IRK and Pipe and be done for now. Then later BBK and such.


Your thoughts are greatly appreciated!thumbsup2
Thanks for all the feedback guys!!!!

[Luigi@XMR]

Well guys I've been getting together some prices on parts for my engine and found another engine. A Lifan 140cc. It comes with oil cooler/lines,carb/filter,cdi,coil, and wire for $280-$300 shipped. What u think? Should I get it and sell my 125? Or just build the 125? I think I'll come out better by buying the 140 get a IRK and Pipe and be done for now. Then later BBK and such.


Your thoughts are greatly appreciated!thumbsup2
Thanks for all the feedback guys!!!!

U better jump on that lifan with the goodies before somebody else does. :)

[Pinto93]

The way Doug is talking I would be better off building mine??? So idk, he is the one with the bad 125 Lifan

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

ya its up to 141 with his bbk
id pefer to build my own motor
and since you already got it...
cam, hi comp bbk, carb, exhaust

[Shooter]

What's everyones thoughts on a 140cc OGM?
I had this brought to my attention but justdunno
What is a motor like this to a X12 and X15?
In stock form is there any real significant difference between a 140cc OGM and a Loncin 110 or 125?
By the way Pinto, real nice find........can't wait to see picsrock2

[Luigi@XMR]

The way Doug is talking I would be better off building mine??? So idk, he is the one with the bad 125 Lifan

to be really fast the the lifan is the way to go, but to race you will need a lot of practice to get used to all that power because i guarantee you it will throw you off if u push it to hard. lol but if your motor is in good shape just build it up.

[Pinto93]

Not sure on the engine specs shooter. But thanks. I know it wont look as kickass as ur bike, but I hope it looks good!

[swanni06]

Well guys I've been getting together some prices on parts for my engine and found another engine. A Lifan 140cc. It comes with oil cooler/lines,carb/filter,cdi,coil, and wire for $280-$300 shipped. What u think? Should I get it and sell my 125? Or just build the 125? I think I'll come out better by buying the 140 get a IRK and Pipe and be done for now. Then later BBK and such.


Your thoughts are greatly appreciated!thumbsup2
Thanks for all the feedback guys!!!!
lol I saw that 140cc on e-bay..thats a great deal imo!!!thumbsup2

[Pinto93]

so u thinks the 140 would be the way to go?

[swanni06]

I do..you get all the goodies oil cooler,24mm mikuni..etc,and its an all up shift with 5 plate clutch.thumbsup2 I offered the guy 200 but he never got back to me..offer him 240.00..see if he takes it :)

[Pinto93]

Thanks Swanni

[mishka]

ya if u can sell the 125 and get the 140, then u should do that!
but me.. lol i like to take things apart and install everything myself, but parents hate it cuz parts and tools are everywhere bluelaugh
so its up to what u want to do, good luckthumbsup2

[Pinto93]

Well i figure if I go ahead build my 125 and later want to upgrade then I'm kinda out of luck other than a crank, then I'm maxed out on the 125. I can spend the same amount and have the 140 just as fast as a 125 with the BBk and later build the hell out of it. I'd like to one day hit at least 100mph...one day

[mishka]

ya i guess.. well 158cc is good for me lol if i want to go bigger, ill get a real bike lol bluelaugh

[rednek01]

Awesome bubba Glad to see you got it!

[Pinto93]

ya i guess.. well 158cc is good for me lol if i want to go bigger, ill get a real bike lol bluelaugh

What motor did u start off with mish??

Thanks Nek

[mishka]

i started off with the 125cc GPX engine..
i like it cuz of the 4up gear, 5plate clutch,
but the lifan comes with the bvh which is good also.

[Pinto93]

The 140 I'm lookin at has the 4 up and the 5 plate

[mishka]

ya thats good..thumbsup2
so just depends on what u want..

[The Nutty Professor]

The X22 has the same seating position all the weight is on my wrist. And I had to pad the family jewel area because when I used hard braking I was sliding forward into the back of the tank. It looks like I fit these bikes real well. I feel in the bike instead of on top like I do with a 1:1. Well crap I got side-tracked. I think you should work with what you have and massage the parts. I only bought a 125 because it was manual compared to my semi-auto. I would rather have had a full-auto instead of what I got. Can you tell I hate semi's? Flow the head, get a decent pipe and header, Titanium valves would be nice. Can you guys tell I like Ti and carbon fiber? The stuff dreams are made of...AAAHHHH! Your 125 has a lot of potential put the money you would spend on a bigger motor and make this one stomp.

[Pinto93]

Thats my problem..I dont kno what the hell I wantthinking_smilie!

Thats why I ask yall, yall kno what I want right?

[mishka]

well.. lol if u only got $190, then well the 124 and get the 140 cuz u can only get the bbk for 150 and thats it.. no irk or oil cooler or any of that..

[The Nutty Professor]

Shooter asked this before I screwed up Pinto's thread:

Shooter---What's everyones thoughts on a 140cc OGM?
I had this brought to my attention but just
What is a motor like this to a X12 and X15?
In stock form is there any real significant difference between a 140cc OGM and a Loncin 110 or 125?
By the way Pinto, real nice find........can't wait to see pics

[Pinto93]

I've heard good things about Gpx on other forums, but RKfinch said they were junk, then holeshotz said they have started making better quality stuff. I think the 140ogm is a Lifan bottom end. the nu 150's are jailing.They r supposidly the best.
I've had not experience with any of em, this is just what I heard/saw/read.

[redryderaus]

Great find, pinto. $150 and you got it running without spending $$$.

I've heard good and bad about every brand of chinese motor. I'd stick with the 125 and work on that. Lifan are generally accepted as one of the better motors and there is no shortage of go-fast bits available for them. No matter which motor you start with you're going to spend $$$ getting the best out of it.

Cheers,

red ausflag

[Pinto93]

The main reason I wanna go with the 140 is I'll already have the oil cooler,carb,cdi,coil, and wire. Just needs to bolt up. Then I'm gonna P&P the head, IRK, pipe,and maybe cam??
All this and I'll have about $470-$500 in the motor if I dont do a cam. Then later I can still build like crazy. And I can get money back by selling the 125.

If I stick with the 125 I have to buy, carb,oil cooler/lines,pipe,IRK,P&P head,BBK, just to stay competive. Plus I dont think any one on this site has the Lifan 140. I've heard soo much great stuff bout Dougs bike that I'm jealous.lol. So I want to be able to one day have a faster bike. Even tho he's lot better rider and his bike is better, and always be a better track bike than I'll ever have, I might one day after more time and money is invested be able to catch on the straights!

[The Nutty Professor]

Stop a second Pinto (I keep spelling it pinot typing to fast) Doug is a faster rider because of experience. Doug I'm not selling you short bud. "P" you're already giving him 2-3 seconds because he stomped your mental game and he didn't have to do a thing to get it. I haven't raced these bike "EVER". I haven't raced in years. I'll be running a 125, but I'll drag ever piece of metal, my elbows, my arse, and the ghost of my native american ancestors to beat him on the track. "Bin it or win it" at the green flag. Get your mental game over your curretn ability and ride. One note: Keep your head on your shoulders. Ride like a demon but be safe and realise the bikes limits but not your's if that makes sense. If you reach the bikes limits he's got yeah. But to do the last you have to commit to the first. Red did I do a good job of explaining that? or did I leave out a lot of the finer points as usual.

[Pinto93]

I get what ur saying. When I finally get ou there I will give it my all. But in the event that my skills com short of the competition I might need a lil more umph to help me out. I know that "Without control power is useless", but I prolly weigh more than most of the guys and along with road racing I'd also like to do some dragging. So thats what I'm keeping in mind. I would like to build my own motor that would stomp a bigger one, but I'm trying to keep in mind what I'll want later on down the road.

[Pinto93]

And I'm not trying to put Doug on a pedestal I'm just stating what I think are the facts. From what I've heard from the guys at VIR, he's fast and experience. So I figure if he's got experience and skill over me then I'm gonna need some help. I've never raced these bikes on a track so my first time will be a hell of an experience and I'll be trying my hardest to get the win but I'm just thinking realistically and with my wallet.

[rednek01]

Can I think a little bit with your wallet? rofl

[Pinto93]

Can I think a little bit with your wallet? rofl

Tell ya what, I'll accidentilly post my credit card # and when I find a bunch of bogus purchases I'll report credit card fraud.thumbsup2


Just dont have the items shipped to ur house!





bluelaughJ/K

[rednek01]

haha if that wasnt so illegal it might work!

[stuntnx7]

yoooo pinto wheres the pics

[redryderaus]

Stop a second Pinto (I keep spelling it pinot typing to fast) Doug is a faster rider because of experience. Doug I'm not selling you short bud. "P" you're already giving him 2-3 seconds because he stomped your mental game and he didn't have to do a thing to get it. I haven't raced these bike "EVER". I haven't raced in years. I'll be running a 125, but I'll drag ever piece of metal, my elbows, my arse, and the ghost of my native american ancestors to beat him on the track. "Bin it or win it" at the green flag. Get your mental game over your curretn ability and ride. One note: Keep your head on your shoulders. Ride like a demon but be safe and realise the bikes limits but not your's if that makes sense. If you reach the bikes limits he's got yeah. But to do the last you have to commit to the first. Red did I do a good job of explaining that? or did I leave out a lot of the finer points as usual.

You covered it pretty well, Nutty. The art of racing is being able to ride at 100% of your limit and/or your bike's. The only way you can do that is to focus on what you are doing. You have to know your bike and yourself, you have to believe you can win. No amount of power will make up for inexperience and experience only comes from actual racing.

If you want to see a master of the mental game, get some video of Mick Doohan towards the end of his career. He had 'em beat before the race even started. He knew he could pass any of his competitors simply because they couldn't play that game as well as he could. He was up against some very good riders, but they weren't his equal as a racer.

Pinto: By all means sell the 125 and buy the 140 especially if you want to go drag racing as well. But keep the above in mind and remember that races are won in the corners, not on the straights.

Cheers,

red ausflag

[swheels]

Hey pinto Doug is fast!But if your gonna aim for someone aim for jag he pretty much swept the weekend.He fended me off in the first race riding with only one footpeg.I did get by him but one footpeg when i found that out i knew i was in trouble.LOL. Speed down the straights is good but in road course the real race is in the turns.I had the slowest bike there as far as top speed. Going with a big motor is cool but if it's your first time road coursing on it.It could result in false security in your bike.Meaning without the right suspension and tires you'd less likely to lean the bike as fas as you can and pick up on the throttle as soon as you can.So it can get you a little frustrated.
I think being mentally focus is key also to going fast.After i crash in the 2nd race on brakes it was alittle hard for me to charge into the turn like i normally do.LOL The crashing was know big deal the why i crashed bothered me.thinking_smilie And i really ride the front of the bike.
All in all i think your gonna do just fine because and in a short period you'll get up to speed.After all you have tons of knowlegde at your disposal on this forum.thinking_smilie Oh don't forget gearing to VERY IMPORTANT!! I found out the hard way.LOL

[Pinto93]

Thanks alot guys for all of ur input. I'm actually in the garage right now woring on this thing and taking pics. So I'll have em up tonight or in the morn!

[stuntnx7]

get em up tonight pinto

[swheels]

You covered it pretty well, Nutty. The art of racing is being able to ride at 100% of your limit and/or your bike's. The only way you can do that is to focus on what you are doing. You have to know your bike and yourself, you have to believe you can win. No amount of power will make up for inexperience and experience only comes from actual racing.

If you want to see a master of the mental game, get some video of Mick Doohan towards the end of his career. He had 'em beat before the race even started. He knew he could pass any of his competitors simply because they couldn't play that game as well as he could. He was up against some very good riders, but they weren't his equal as a racer.

Pinto: By all means sell the 125 and buy the 140 especially if you want to go drag racing as well. But keep the above in mind and remember that races are won in the corners, not on the straights.

Cheers,

red ausflagYeah that mental game is B.But i play more mental games on myself.LOLcrazy_smilieTheres nothing like being able to ride 100% if you loose a race then it makes it easier to plan ahead so you stand a better chance.But when you can't ride 100% then you gotta figure out the why's and the if's.Can you tell whats going through my mind.LOL

[Pinto93]

alright guys its running. This thing hauls ass. It's a lot faster than my X7 with the 125, but the X7 has 14:38 gearing. The X12 has 14:32 and it's still stock 110. Cant wait to see what the 125 or 140 is gonna be like.

[Pinto93]

The clutch just locked up. No more gear changing. I rode her around in 4th for a while then parked her. i know I can get it broken loose but I dont know if I wanna spend the time on it. O well......Guess I'll have to throw the 125 in her

[swanni06]

any pics yet?

[Pinto93]

how do I post em? They are on photobucket

[Pinto93]

Here they are! The last one is my X7 with the X12. Never realized how much smaller the X7 is.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

you got to be fast in the corner
i was geared ok i think, i couldnt lean as much as i wanted too tho, and i was a little tentative
i knew doug was fast, i didnt expect to do well
i expect to do well in future events, when i am better prepared
it just takes time and practise

[swanni06]

dude thats a sweet bike man!!!...I hate you.... lol j/k

[Pinto93]

didnt realize how much bigger the x12 is. I took it for a spin and couldnt lean it half as far as I do the x7. It's gonna take some getting use to. I'm putting the 125 in today and gonna start riding around and getting a feel for the bike.


oh yea, love u too swanni! lol

[125ccCrazy]

The main reason I wanna go with the 140 is I'll already have the oil cooler,carb,cdi,coil, and wire. Just needs to bolt up. Then I'm gonna P&P the head, IRK, pipe,and maybe cam??
All this and I'll have about $470-$500 in the motor if I dont do a cam. Then later I can still build like crazy. And I can get money back by selling the 125.

If I stick with the 125 I have to buy, carb,oil cooler/lines,pipe,IRK,P&P head,BBK, just to stay competive. Plus I dont think any one on this site has the Lifan 140. I've heard soo much great stuff bout Dougs bike that I'm jealous.lol. So I want to be able to one day have a faster bike. Even tho he's lot better rider and his bike is better, and always be a better track bike than I'll ever have, I might one day after more time and money is invested be able to catch on the straights!

I can save ya the work....I have a new lifan 141, P+P bvh head, race cam, IRK,
vm26mm mikuni, billet cooler, 141 bbk w/ 14mm wristpin, nology coil....this engine had less than a tank of fuel through it...lost interest in the pb's since my boys don't show any enthusiasm towards them any more...

[Pinto93]

How much ya askin?

[X7rocks]

Here they are! The last one is my X7 with the X12. Never realized how much smaller the X7 is.

ud be surprised how the x12 is smaller in dimensions compared to the 18's and 15's

oh and pinto i got myself a GPX 146 its pretty torguey but is restricted by its 22mm carb
i sent it to doug and im sure he got it running a bit if not alote better then the last time i had picking it
up

and his 141......GEEZZZ seeing it run made me go damn...im long ways away
all the little things do count such as cam carb and especially IRK and his pipe is kickass

[Pinto93]

I keep hearing bout this killer pipe he has.Lets see some pics Doug!!

[stuntnx7]

if you want a real motor shell out a $1000 for my 250r quadracer engine

[Pinto93]

I dont think that lil bike can handle that killer power-band.

[redryderaus]

if you want a real motor shell out a $1000 for my 250r quadracer engine

There's been much discussion about fitting a 250cc 2T moto-x engine to these bikes. Swheels in particular was interested in doing it. The general consensus is that these bikes would just be torn apart by that sort of power. It could be done but would require a lot of strengthening of frame/wheels/suspension to handle it. It would be a wild ride if you did it though! thumbsup2

Cheers,

red ausflag

[X7rocks]

his pipe is just badass look at blitzs vid so u can see it

[swheels]

Iv'e just noticed the three spoked rims.If you can you might wanna get rid of those asap.They break pretty easy.

[Pinto93]

Well the 125 is in the bike now and I'v egotta get a nu carb and pipe and maybe start some headwork and a IRK. I dont know how fast I'll be able to get the parts because I just found put I might have to find a nu job soon soo..... And right now I dont have the money to spend on wheels so I guess I'll wait to get some more after mine fall apart. But thanks for the head up sweels!

[doug@xmr]

Swheels seen a front fail first hand didn't ya S?? Yah if u want a target Jagspeed has one right in the middle of his back thats who I'm shootin for. Next time anyone sees me on the track I'll be pushin slicks and a new set of wheels especialy after seeing what happened to T @ VIR. Heres some pics of a pipe on my bike.

[stuntnx7]

i want a set of them wheels for my x7

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

i really liked those three spoke rims til i seen every spoke break
dougs pipe is nice but dont be behind him like i was, it shoots fire at you, little cam action for ya
looks like a pitbike pipe, like ultima?
id go slicks but jag did fine on the same rear tire as me and i personally love my front tire

[125ccCrazy]

How much ya askin?

I'd like to get $450 plus shipping......the engine didnt have but maybe a half tank of fuel ran through it before I swapped it out for a stock 125 and sold my bike to Coda....... Here is a kwik videp clip of it idleing shortly after I got it running...... No i never used the NOS on it, I never wired the solenoid to spray it....The intake was drilled and tapped for the fitting but never seen any spray especially since I never even got the engine broke in before selling the bike...
Video of 141cc monster - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

[The Nutty Professor]

Iv'e just noticed the three spoked rims.If you can you might wanna get rid of those asap.They break pretty easy.

Ah Man! Those are the rims I have. They looked pretty damn stiff and solid to me? Then I looked at the spoke near the hub. That's where it broke didn't it? If I'd known that I would have bought rims before I went after brakes. banghead

[Pinto93]

where would be the best place to buy some new wheels?/

[redryderaus]

Swheels seen a front fail first hand didn't ya S?? Yah if u want a target Jagspeed has one right in the middle of his back thats who I'm shootin for. Next time anyone sees me on the track I'll be pushin slicks and a new set of wheels especialy after seeing what happened to T @ VIR. Heres some pics of a pipe on my bike.

If you can find slicks to suit these bikes let us know. Several of us have been searching for months to find them. At the moment we're stuck with going through the 10" scooter tires available to find some that work on the track.

Cheers,

red ausflag

[The Nutty Professor]

where would be the best place to buy some new wheels?/

I have the site somewhere I'll look for it?

[EonBlue]

Nice bike Pinto, so you only spent 150 on it? wow..nice find!
Good luck with your project! hope it comes out great :D

[Pinto93]

Nice bike Pinto, so you only spent 150 on it? wow..nice find!
Good luck with your project! hope it comes out great :D

Thanks alot Eon! Hopefully it will be complted within the next month.

[EonBlue]

what all do you plan on doing to it? just a short summary would be plausible :D i wonder what the slip on muffler would look like/sound like on your bike..im pretty sure it would look bad ass, but sound..no idea..lol, i dont even have my bike yet :(

[Pinto93]

I'm either buying a new engine or building mine.
IRK
BBK
26-28mm Carb
exhaust
port&polish head
paint(maybe black and red????)
rear sets.....
Maybe some other stuff

[swheels]

i really liked those three spoke rims til i seen every spoke break
dougs pipe is nice but dont be behind him like i was, it shoots fire at you, little cam action for ya
looks like a pitbike pipe, like ultima?
id go slicks but jag did fine on the same rear tire as me and i personally love my front tireThat dunlop has a nice lower side wall and it's pretty soft.Boy i can't wait to try it out.thumbsup2I think thats just what i need since i ride hard on the front.

[swheels]

Swheels seen a front fail first hand didn't ya S?? Yah if u want a target Jagspeed has one right in the middle of his back thats who I'm shootin for. Next time anyone sees me on the track I'll be pushin slicks and a new set of wheels especialy after seeing what happened to T @ VIR. Heres some pics of a pipe on my bike.Yes sir it wasn't pretty.speechless33

Ah Man! Those are the rims I have. They looked pretty damn stiff and solid to me? Then I looked at the spoke near the hub. That's where it broke didn't it? If I'd known that I would have bought rims before I went after brakes. bangheadSorry man! I hoping it was just a selected few we got some at the shop and i want to buy them so bad.But i know the over all durability.thumb_down

[Pinto93]

Alright guys I'm looking for some front forks and rear shock. What kind should I look for? Do these bikes use the same shock as the pit bikes? And what type of forks are available for these bikes?

[doug@xmr]

Hey pinto did ya notice the shock on my x-12 in the first pic. Utilizes a seperate rebound and dampning adjustment. Only catch is you have to swap the stock spring from the bike (1500lbs)with the spring that comes on the shock (750lbs)this setup works great. When I get the numbers for the front and rear slicks I'll let everyone know. As far as rims are concerned to replace the three spoke version that come stock on the x-12 we've decided to go with the x-18 seems to be the most durable and also the lightest. Fancyscooter has them for 45. front and 55. rear. Since we're x-12 freindly at the shop we've put together what we feel is an incredible front brake upgrade which uses a Tokico caliper ,Nissin mastercylinder ,steel braided line ,replacement aluminum mount ,and 1.25 inch larger over stock rotor. We're testng at the moment but if theres interset I'll post some pics very nice!! Hey blitz thats so funny!! lol I took the spark arrestor out the can I never ment to char anyone behind me I promise!! lol

[Pinto93]

Any ideas on the forks. Mine are very spongy and dont rebound to good. What can/should I do???

[doug@xmr]

If you open the top of each fork you can change the fluid and make two spacers of equal length to add to each fork to stiffen them up. It's not the best solution but it'll work till we find a nice set of usd's.

[X7rocks]

If you open the top of each fork you can change the fluid and make two spacers of equal length to add to each fork to stiffen them up. It's not the best solution but it'll work till we find a nice set of usd's.

is that wat you did to my bike? i noticed the front is a bit stiffer

[Pinto93]

If you open the top of each fork you can change the fluid and make two spacers of equal length to add to each fork to stiffen them up. It's not the best solution but it'll work till we find a nice set of usd's.

Thanks for the info Doug! I'll try that this week.thumbsup2

[Pinto93]

What about the rear tho. What will work, is a pit bike shock too long? And where can I get the parts to upgrde brakes?

[schofell84]

mountain bike shocks.

[swheels]

What about the rear tho. What will work, is a pit bike shock too long? And where can I get the parts to upgrde brakes?I'm soory i thought i sent you a pm about the rear shock and where to get them.Damn i'm getting old my mind is slipping.I'll find you one hold on.

Here you go jump on it fast.
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Bike-Adj-MTB-Rear-Suspension-Shock-350LBS-IN-Black_W0QQitemZ220170147944QQihZ012QQcategoryZ4231 7QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

it has rebound and spring preload adjustment i think it great for the price.Doug and the guys at XMR was using the stock spring the shocks.

[doug@xmr]

That shock looks similar but our shock is a little bit more elaborate. Air adjustable remote resevior 2 seperate adjusting points rebound/dampening adjustable spring rate.

[Pinto93]

Alright that about sums up everything that I need. My engine will hopefully be in this weekend. The paint is being done this week, I'll try to get pics up in a day or 2. And the suspension and wheels will be upgraded as soon as I can get around to it(may take a lil while). Sooo the only thing left to do is my exhaust....Wonder what I should do? Any Ideas??? Oh yea gearing for the track to?? What should I run? Remember I'm over 200lbs.

[swheels]

i think the XMR is pretty good on that.I'm still trying to figure that out for myself.dunno

[Pinto93]

Well thanks to Randi my engine will def. be here by Sat. The exhaust will be here next week. The after I get the engine broke in I'm taking it to the track!

[Pinto93]

I've noticed that a lot of ppl including myself has asked about exhaust solutions, well I found an easy solution for the ppl who want to make their own. By a cheap pit exhaust off of ebay. Make sure it's 38mm. Then go to NAPA and ask for part # 47980. It's 1.5" exhaust tubing. They also have elbows if you cant bend the tubing. Now use the head pipe from the ebay ehaust and run the tailpipe and muffler anyway you want it. My stuff will be here this weekend or first of next week. I'll post pics and let yall see how it comes out.

All of this shouldnt cost u more than $70

[rednek01]

sweet I have a welder so I just might do some playing around with the exhaust! Little tip for you guys use coat hanger wire to mock up your exhaust so you know about what angles and lengths you need! thumbsup2

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

pinto thats a great idea
props thumbsup2

[swanni06]

I'm soory i thought i sent you a pm about the rear shock and where to get them.Damn i'm getting old my mind is slipping.I'll find you one hold on.

Here you go jump on it fast.
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Bike-Adj-MTB-Rear-Suspension-Shock-350LBS-IN-Black_W0QQitemZ220170147944QQihZ012QQcategoryZ4231 7QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

it has rebound and spring preload adjustment i think it great for the price.Doug and the guys at XMR was using the stock spring the shocks.That shock has a 350lb spring..isn`t that to weak? just asking..learning lol

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

ya i think its too weak
doug was taking a shock like that and replacing the spring with a heavier spring

[swanni06]

ya i think its too weak
doug was taking a shock like that and replacing the spring with a heavier spring
ok would a 1500lb mountian bike spring work better? like keep the stock shock and replace the 750lb(?)spring with a 1500lb spring?http://cgi.ebay.ca/Rear-Suspension-Bike-Cycling-Shock-Spring-1500lb-New_W0QQitemZ160179023791QQihZ006QQcategoryZ42317Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[stuntnx7]

ok would a 1500lb mountian bike spring work better? like keep the stock shock and replace the 750lb(?)spring with a 1500lb spring?




on my x7 the stock shock with the stock spring is startin to bend the platform that the spring sets on so i wouldnt do anything with the stock shock but take it off and toss it

[swanni06]

on my x7 the stock shock with the stock spring is startin to bend the platform that the spring sets on so i wouldnt do anything with the stock shock but take it off and toss it
ok thanks I guess I will just get a whole better shock then.
Thanks for the info.thumbsup2

[rednek01]

I have a cheap suspension bike in the garage that I think is going to lose its rear spring and shock when i get my bike home speechless33thinking_smilierofl

[swanni06]

I have a cheap suspension bike in the garage that I think is going to lose its rear spring and shock when i get my bike home speechless33thinking_smilierofllol there you go man..worth a tryrock2

[Pinto93]

That shock has a 350lb spring..isn`t that to weak? just asking..learning lol

What are ya saying Swannithinking_smilie? You callin me a fatassangry_red!?
Taking a cheapboxing11 at me cause I'm LARGE???LOL


J/k Swanni I was thinking the same thing.




I asked sweels about it when he posted the link. He said I could mod the stock spring to work.

[Pinto93]

Well I got the 110 out of the X12 running today. It runs great! So I threw it into the X7 and will put the X7 back together this week/weekend. And now I can start working on the wiring on the X12 and get everything ready for the new setup!

Oh yea I painted the fairings today! It's no Shooter, but it looks alright untill I can get into the booth to put some real paint on her.
I'll try to post pics tom.

[swanni06]

What are ya saying Swannithinking_smilie? You callin me a fatassangry_red!?
Taking a cheapboxing11 at me cause I'm LARGE???LOL


J/k Swanni I was thinking the same thing.




I asked sweels about it when he posted the link. He said I could mod the stock spring to work.

lol naaa dude I haven`t ever seen you ..I ment in general lolcheers11

[125ccCrazy]

Matt the 141 is on the way...hopefully you will have it by friday....LMk when you get it...

[mishka]

Matt the 141 is on the way...hopefully you will have it by friday....LMk when you get it...

hey randy u sold ur motor?
nice man, now u can get started on ur project car!thumbsup2

[Pinto93]

Matt the 141 is on the way...hopefully you will have it by friday....LMk when you get it...


I def. will Randi. Thanks a lot man!thumbsup2

[Pinto93]

Well guys, i think I'm quiting in the X12. Just not gonna be what I really want. So i'm selling evrything and starting fresh.

[Shooter]

Well guys, i think I'm quiting in the X12. Just not gonna be what I really want. So i'm selling evrything and starting fresh.

speechless33
You're still gonna stick with the Midbikes aren't you???!!!!
angry_red YOU BETTER angry_red

[Pinto93]

speechless33
You're still gonna stick with the Midbikes aren't you???!!!!
angry_red YOU BETTER angry_red

Of coarse!thumbsup Midbikesrock2
I have just been thinking about how much money I have into the bike and how much I'm gonna put into it and I dont think I'll be satisfied with it so.....

I think I'm gonna start on a daily driver. Something I can ride round here, into town and stuff. I want to have a race bike but with my new job and schedule I wont ever get to go race so it would be a little pointless. So as soon as i can get rid of some of my toys I'll start on a new bike.

[swanni06]

are you going with a mid you can tag? I have heard you can tag those in N.C.

[Pinto93]

are you going with a mid you can tag? I have heard you can tag those in N.C.

Yea man, I think I might try and tag one. I talked to the insurance company about it and they said it would be about $100 a year. Something to ride around to buddy's houses and just to play around with.

[EonBlue]

how much are you looking for, for the bike and the 110cc motor? im looking for a bike but dont really wanna dump like 550+ bucks into it :/ especially with xmas coming up..saving is great

[The Nutty Professor]

Pinto what's up? Is it the fact you want lights, turns signals, what? If you tell us what you're looking to cruise maybe you do have what you want just not the way you envision it dunno If you have your mind made up I can't change it but I'll give it a hell of a try. Check these out bows_smilie

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z216/NuttyProfessorPS/FL000012.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z216/NuttyProfessorPS/FL000015.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z216/NuttyProfessorPS/268img_0004.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z216/NuttyProfessorPS/16976perfect_corner.jpg

[swanni06]

Pinto what's up? Is it the fact you want lights, turns signals, what? If you tell us what you're looking to cruise maybe you do have what you want just not the way you envision it dunno If you have your mind made up I can't change it but I'll give it a hell of a try. Check these out bows_smilie

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z216/NuttyProfessorPS/FL000012.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z216/NuttyProfessorPS/FL000015.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z216/NuttyProfessorPS/268img_0004.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z216/NuttyProfessorPS/16976
perfect_corner.jpg


very nice pics nutty!!!

[Pinto93]

Thanks for the pics Nut. Almost changed my mind but... The way the X12 sits is pretty uncomfortable(on the nuts), thats the main reason. I think it wont be too comfortable for longer rides. So I'll prolly get like a X18 and put the 140 in it and start from there.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

the 12 is only for racing
the others can do both but the 12 doesnt cruise well

[Pinto93]

yep. Thats why I wanted the X12, well that and the price I got it for. I was really wanting to build a race bike I wont have the time to put into it to get it ready for next year, I'll be going to school during the day(full time) and working second shift at a warehouse 40 hours a week.

[swanni06]

The x-15 and x-19 are the more comfy rides to sit the "boys" on for a rip down the road..but if you are tagging it I would go with the x-19 as it has all the lights and turn signals.
I would suggest changing the exhaust though if you are adding the ogm

[Pinto93]

X19 is better than the X18???

[jsosh93]

Hmm seems odd your suggesting the x19??? Arent you geting the x18 as YOUR daily driver lol???????

[swanni06]

Hmm seems odd your suggesting the x19??? Arent you geting the x18 as YOUR daily driver lol???????banghead maybe you should read my post..I said the x-19 was more comfy..he wants a comfy bike.
Its not better,just as good but I like the looks of the x-18 better so I will take looks over comfy.

[jsosh93]

And what exactly are you basing this cofmfy statement on the x19 from????? Just not catching your drift on this one lol.........

[Pinto93]

I just dont know much about the frame on the X19 so I still havent made up my mind about what I'm gonna get.

[swanni06]

And what exactly are you basing this cofmfy statement on the x19 from????? Just not catching your drift on this one lol.........

it is wider so it has a bigger seat..its about the same bike as the x-15,ask someone that has one.

[jsosh93]

x19 ehh? Just doesnt seem right, Brand new model not much feedback on it. From my point of view ever scince it was released in 06 the x18 has been the most succesful bike so far, thats got to tell you something! If it were me and i was purchasing a new mid bike Today i would be strongly debating between the x15 and the x18.

X15 seems to have a stronger (stronger not nicer) frame then the x18 for the engine area. Both have there pros and cons. Both are nice solid bikes!

[Pinto93]

the X15 and the X19 have the same frame.

[swanni06]

x19 ehh? Just doesnt seem right, Brand new model not much feedback on it. From my point of view ever scince it was released in 06 the x18 has been the most succesful bike so far, thats got to tell you something! If it were me and i was purchasing a new mid bike Today i would be strongly debating between the x15 and the x18.

X15 seems to have a stronger (stronger not nicer) frame then the x18 for the engine area. Both have there pros and cons. Both are nice solid bikes!

dude are you high? the x-15 and 19 are almost the same bike..I think the only diff. is the plastics........
and the x-19 can be tagged....sochill0197

[mishka]

x19 ehh? Just doesnt seem right, Brand new model not much feedback on it. From my point of view ever scince it was released in 06 the x18 has been the most succesful bike so far, thats got to tell you something! If it were me and i was purchasing a new mid bike Today i would be strongly debating between the x15 and the x18.

X15 seems to have a stronger (stronger not nicer) frame then the x18 for the engine area. Both have there pros and cons. Both are nice solid bikes!

x15 and x19 have the same frame, and he wanted to tag it, so the x19 will be good. u can always put lights and stuff on the 15 but the 19 comes with it so its kinda better.
and the 15/19 is bigger than the 18, well wider, and speed is about the same....

[jsosh93]

lol why do i need to chill? why would you state that im high? LOL there not the same bike man. Have a similer frame, differnt plastic design and idk They might have the same stock pipe but not 100% on that. So you chill bud

[swanni06]

cause you post like you just smoked out thats why(well someone that can`t handle being high that is)..I also said they were ALMOST the same bike..learn how to read..I am so done answering anything you post on..its like talking to acensor_dcensor_dcensor_d!!
peace_symbol

[mishka]

lol why do i need to chill? why would you state that im high? LOL there not the same bike man. Have a similer frame, differnt plastic design and idk They might have the same stock pipe but not 100% on that. So you chill bud

dude frame is the same, and plastics are diff. and swanni said that, pipes are about the same, x19 ones are a little nicer tho..

just about the same bike..

[Pinto93]

bluelaughbluelaughbluelaugh

[jsosh93]

Hmm thanks for clearing that up man cool. Ya i still like the x18 =P

[Pinto93]

I like the looks of the X18 better but would like a stronger frame. But since I wont be doing much or any racing it really wont matter.

[jsosh93]

LOl ya really not much a stronger frame just some more metal around the engine it's got a bottem Piece that goes under the engine. So ya the x18 seems prety solid to me! ya.

[mishka]

its all on what u want.. and what ur going to use it for..
a new bike will be a good way to do, even tho i love the 12 and would mod that,
its ur bike.:)

i like the x15 because there are only like three ppl on here that have them, and ask blitz, he has the 15, and 18 and he likes the 15 better...

so its up to u thumbsup2

[Pinto93]

I absolutly love my X12, except for that frame bar that comes down and under the engine, and would like to continue to build it. But it's really not very comfortble and like I said I'm not gonna be able to race so... I also like the looks of my X7 and X12 a lot more than the other bikes other than the X15. If i was gonna have the time to put into the bike i would def. keep it.

[The Nutty Professor]

One other point between the 2. I've heard a ton of negative things about the X18 bodywork being crap thin. It cracks if you sneeze on it. I've seen a X19 hit by a car and the bodywork stood up pretty well. Just my twocents

[Pinto93]

well I'll take that into consideration then. Like I said if I cant sell wha tI have then I'll just use what I got. Do u think it's gonna take a lot of strength away from the frame if I cut that part of the frame out? I mean the frames are a lil different but they all look similar and the X7 and X18 look like they are fine without that extra bar going under the engine. So whatcha think, should I cut it out.

[rednek01]

Pinto I have 2 x-19's and love them! the only thing lacking on them is the suspension is way too soft which makes it great to ride but horrible to race.

[Pinto93]

cool man, How bout some pics. U think u could get some of the frame and around the engine?

[rednek01]

cool man, How bout some pics. U think u could get some of the frame and around the engine?

yea weather permitting I am actually going to take the farings off the bike and toy with the intake and exhaust so I'll snap some pics for ya!thumbsup2

[Pinto93]

Sweet man!

[The Nutty Professor]

well I'll take that into consideration then. Like I said if I cant sell wha tI have then I'll just use what I got. Do u think it's gonna take a lot of strength away from the frame if I cut that part of the frame out? I mean the frames are a lil different but they all look similar and the X7 and X18 look like they are fine without that extra bar going under the engine. So whatcha think, should I cut it out.

If you're talking about the X12 Doug is the one you should ask. He got a lot of experience with the bike and he probably knows it strong and weak frame areas.

[Pinto93]

Yea, I havent had a chance to talk to him lately. Just wondering everyones opinion.

[The Nutty Professor]

A couple question Pinto. What makes the bike uncomfortable? Is the seat to narrow, the pegs to far back, or the bars to low? The seat can be padded to that's probably not what you think is a major deal. So that leaves maybe the bars and the footpegs. The bars can be changed easily if that's the problem. In the first photo is a plate that you can attach to the top of you triple clamps. That will raise the bars. The second photo is an example of the bars you could use. You could also use even flatter bars. The footpegs might not even have to messed with of you did this modification. Just my twocents

[Pinto93]

The main prob I'm having is it leans too far foward crushing "THE BOYS". Great for racing, but like I said I'm prolly not gonna be racing. I too not be at such an incline. Maybe lower the rear and raise the bars?

[The Nutty Professor]

If you raise the bars that should handle the family argument. If not moving the pegs forward about 1 inch would be the final solution along with raising the bars.

[stuntnx7]

thats the reason i moved my seat back and put dirt bike bars on it.....it is alot more comfortable

[swheels]

All in all i'd say that the x15/19's are the most comfortable to ride.Nice neutral position.

[rene13]

I hads the same problem with "the boys" and when I added my extended swing arm, I had another shock mounting point added to lower the rear so it didn't look so jack up in height in the rear. If you look at my avatar is jacked up plus it was due to the fender eliminator I installed under the exhaust.(not enough claerence)

[Pinto93]

Well guys the new project is a brand new X19! I'll be ordering this weekend along with a mot of other parts. I will be putting the 141 in the X19 and tagging that biotch. I'll start a new thread soon!

[The Nutty Professor]

Still in the game thumbsup2 That's what I wanted to hear. Hey want to send that X12 to the needy? That stands for I needy another track bike (Free of course) that I can set up to run in a different class bluelaugh I know I know but hell if you don't ask they can't say NO!

[Pinto93]

lol! Hey it was worth a try!

I'll be returning the X12 to stock condition and fixing everything on the bike so I can sell it.

[stuntnx7]

whats the reason for this

[mishka]

sweet man! nice to hear your getting the x19!
i want to get one too soon..
who are you going to order with?

and ya don't sell that 141, just put it in the 19
and your bike will be fast!!!!bluelaugh

[Pinto93]

whats the reason for this

I'm not going to have the time to put into building a race bike and wont be able to race, soooo I figured I'd tag a bike and ride it around town and just have something to play on.

[Blitz$M.Inc.$]

let us know when the x12 will be for sale
im interested
oh and be sure to get the REAL MSO from the dealer you buy the bike from or you will be unable to tag it

[Pinto93]

well I should have an engine and stuff in it within the next week or so. But I'll let u know for sure when it is finished